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  • #777262
    Anonymous
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    This has been the way that Casino Rewards has worked for years. This was discussed a number of times back on GPWA when Brent was still the affiliate manager and i think there was a discussion more recently here at cap. This is not something they’ve snuck in. I didn’t like it, so i reduced exposure but did not quit them entirely.

    One conversation with a Rewards manager pointed out that not all casinos wipe out negatives and they do. I remember one affiliate, they might post here if they want, was sent a check for thousands from a customer who had deposited $200, won $10,000. then the next month lost it back, he got paid his 30% (or whatever the old rev share was) of the money the player won, his comission was way in excess of the player’s total deposits.

    Now that doesn’t mean the cross promo is ok, but let’s not think of them as having pulled off some sort of change behind our backs, it’s been under our noses for years.

    #777265
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I just wasn’t aware of it. I remember the ruckus at GPWA with BRent but forgot what it was all about – I was pretty new back then.

    #777268
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @Dcbonus 174378 wrote:

    Like cross promotions and uninstalling tricks http://www.casinorewards.com/uninstall.asp

    http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/uninstall-tracking.27689.html?

    PLEASE TEST THEM AND YOU FIND THINGS YOU DONT LIKE….

    By the way Wager Share do the same tricks :flush:
    http://www.thepalacegroup.com/uninstall.asp?client=SPC

    #777271
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Totally unacceptable! Affiliate must get a credit if the group doing any type of cross promotion. This behaviour looks more like the robbery. :flush:

    The question was “How would you react?” You’ll see my answer on my network soon. :hattip:

    #777272
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @ALEX777 174401 wrote:

    The question was “How would you react?” You’ll see my answer on my network soon. :hattip:

    ALEX777 there are only one thing to do!
    And i do now even if i then only have 2 or 3 programs back to promode!

    #777281
    voodooman
    Member

    @eclipse 174379 wrote:

    In business world nothing is fair. it’s all about making money. I’d like to think most programs do honor affiliate if they moved him to a different casino …… but I’m realistic. Put yourselves in CEO of a casino operation shoes and try to make a decision.

    I understand your point. We are also “CEO’s” of our own businesses and we also have decisions to make.

    #777296
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The CD SPAM is old news.

    http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/captain-cooks-casino-in-the-danish-media.24604.html?

    These days thousands of Danish players are receiving a CD from Golden Tiger Casino..

    #777300
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @ixian 174412 wrote:

    We are also “CEO’s” of our own businesses and we also have decisions to make.

    And that is the point. That’s what keeps the balance.

    #777304
    biggyg
    Member

    @AmCan 174392 wrote:

    This has been the way that Casino Rewards has worked for years. This was discussed a number of times back on GPWA when Brent was still the affiliate manager and i think there was a discussion more recently here at cap. This is not something they’ve snuck in. I didn’t like it, so i reduced exposure but did not quit them entirely.

    One conversation with a Rewards manager pointed out that not all casinos wipe out negatives and they do. I remember one affiliate, they might post here if they want, was sent a check for thousands from a customer who had deposited $200, won $10,000. then the next month lost it back, he got paid his 30% (or whatever the old rev share was) of the money the player won, his comission was way in excess of the player’s total deposits.

    Now that doesn’t mean the cross promo is ok, but let’s not think of them as having pulled off some sort of change behind our backs, it’s been under our noses for years.

    if a player puts in 200.00 and cashes out 10k in august ,then puts it back in september we should get our commission on what ever he deposits.that’s not doing us a favor fred:)

    #777307
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Hi all,

    RA has never made a secret of this. I never have liked it of course, and it would be great if this thread gets them to change policy on that because as big of supporter as I am … I’ve been cutting back exposure just because of the fact that it is very likely I have lost players .. big players .. to the cross-promote.

    Here’s the thing. I still make as much or more with them as I do with with any other program named on here that is known for keeping aff tags in cross promote.

    in the case of non-MGS … a lot more.

    And at same time there are programs that are known to tag everything for us … that I can’t justify keeping listed (financially).

    so which way do you go?

    At least I’ve been told straight from beginning how RA works. I’m surprised some of you are surprised, that was one of my first questions was what are you doing with a stable of casinos like that to offer … in respect to how my players are retained?

    Over the years when times were better it was easier to over look of course. I very much appreciated their honest approach. … and still very much do.

    Yaniv didn’t dance around his reply though you know he wanted to … what AM wouldn’t ?

    I am not sticking up for RA here. I need them to change that policy too. And for their own greater good I imagine. If I was starting to cut back their exposure I can imagine how its been for lesser staunch supporters.

    *I haven’t really cut back exposure I’ve just been less inclined to jump to putting them at the top of the list .. and exactly for this matter.

    I can’t any longer afford to lose players to cross promotes. I mean if I can help it anyway.

    I won’t turn my back on them. … not even close to that. But yes it would sure go a long ways towards cementing them into the long-range plan if they’d promise to either stop cross-promoting or else tag the players.

    And I’d settle for them just tagging the player from inside the Rewards website where they are given the reward money. I bet we lose a ton of players to them choosing to spend that money at a different brand in the network.

    If I could get that I think I’d be happy to risk giving up the disks that get snail-mailed.

    * maybe the players are tagged to us inside the rewards site … but I would think that’s not somewhere they’d have bothered to install tracking.

    anybody know how that works?

    #777310
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Last June I asked Renee why I never received any email promos and she said I opted-out in July of 2007 (for all the properties). She added me back in around the beginning of this July.

    A few days later I was opted out again. However I never, ever clicked on any unsubscribe links.

    I did receive a promo the other day but that was the only one I recall. Even when I have bonus credits I never get an email from the pitt boss.

    I wonder if players aren’t getting the promos.

    #777311
    stevej
    Member

    Old news as it may be I am thankful for the thread. I have a horrible memory. (sue me!)

    We list many of the brands from RA. We have a few reallly nice spots for them since we were making a little $$ from them. There is also the hoop for getting paid that I don’t like. (pain in the ass)

    We will keep them listed, but the prime spots just got given to someone else.

    Cross-promoting without tracking is stealing.

    #777316
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Can anybody list all the affiliates doing this nice cross promotion business?

    #777317

    Here’s an extract from an e-mail with the CR aff guys about 10 days ago :

    ME : When u guys do cross marketing from casino to casino, do u carry the affiliate tag across as well? This has to be the case, no?

    CR : For the cross marketing, the tag is not usually carried away. The reason is very simple – we have been in this industry for almost 10 years with 23 brands – so if we’d carry the affiliate tag, it would be very hard to find new players. You could be working and investing a lot with a player and then all your commissions would go to the first affiliate that found the player

    ME : Based on the reasoning u provided re: carrying aff tags, I think its all the more reason to carry the tag.

    CR : For the aff tags, what I want to say is that this player you just send to one of our casinos, may already be (but you don’t know it) the affiliate of another affiliate in one of our other casinos… so we’d have to take your commissions out…:) what do you think now?

    ME : I hear you… But still I don’t see the reasoning behind the whole thing. Other programs that I work with have a number of casinos in their group. If I send a player that has already signed up through another aff tag, then he doesn’t belong to me. This I accept.

    CR : If you want we can talk about it over the phone

    We did have a chat and I asked whether other affiliates are ok with this (tags not carried through), the response I got was not a clear cut YES or NO, but it leaned more towards “yes”. Well I felt in that case, I was pretty much OK with it, but still not happy.

    And then Ixian started this thread….:thumbsup::hattip:

    bb1webs, u are correct! Based on the above, they did make it clear to me which I do appreciate. Thank you! However,the reasoning behind why they don’t carry the tags still doesn’t make sense to me! If other groups are able to, then i don’t see why they can’t

    I sincerely hope they change this policy as I would still like to promote their group!

    #777318
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @bb1webs 174438 wrote:

    Hi all,
    * maybe the players are tagged to us inside the rewards site … but I would think that’s not somewhere they’d have bothered to install tracking.

    anybody know how that works?

    There are only two ways to pass data from one site to another or from one page on the same site to another page on the same site. Either through the address bar or by writing a cookie.

    When a player clicks on your banner the affid is sent to the backend where it is mapped to your affiliate account. The backend either reads it from the address bar string or the cookie. It seems that programs do both, pass the aff id via the address bar and write it in a cookie.

    The vehicle used to install the casino, whether it’s a CD, type in traffic, email promo or direct dl doesn’t matter.

    The process is simple, check for a cookie, yes it exists, map it to the affiliate account, no it does not exist, credit the casino.

    Granted some people flush cookies but you know, can’t have everything.

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