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[FONT="]I have been Totally Miss Quoted here
I was responding to an Affiliate who had issues with the $10 free Offer
MGS offered us the Single Sign on Option as a Player benefit and WE as the GrandPrive Group Of Casinos took This Product from them.
In No way is it definite or Confirmed that Other Operators Will Do the Same I do apologize if I scared you or Made you question their Programs
Each Group has The option to Take or Not take a Product From MGS and in No way is This forced on Operators I do apologize
What I did want to Tell The affiliate In my Mail is that She is More than Welcome to contact MGS to Verify That We as the GramdPrive Group Took Single Sign on as a Product and If they New or could say if any other Operators did have the same Ideas even though they would not divulge this information.
In no way did I want to say or mean to say That they would or have decided to do so and I apologize to you and all of them if this is what was understood from that Quote this was Not my Intentions to Harm any of their reputations in any Way[/FONT]
Dominique;151355 wrote:That I don’t know, and hopefully we will never find out who all is considering it now.I am not fooling around with this, and anyone joining Grand Prive will face the same fate.
Grand Prive states that we will be surprised to see how many micros are going to follow suit.
I certainly hope they will think very hard before they do.
[FONT="]I have been Totally Miss Quoted here
I was responding to an Affiliate who had issues with the $10 free Offer
MGS offered us the Single Sign on Option as a Player benefit and WE as the GrandPrive Group Of Casinos took This Product from them.
In No way is it definite or Confirmed that Other Operators Will Do the Same I do apologize if I scared you or Made you question their Programs
Each Group has The option to Take or Not take a Product From MGS and in No way is This forced on Operators I do apologize
What I did want to Tell The affiliate In my Mail is that She is More than Welcome to contact MGS to Verify That We as the GramdPrive Group Took Single Sign on as a Product and If they New or could say if any other Operators did have the same Ideas even though they would not divulge this information.
In no way did I want to say or mean to say That they would or have decided to do so and I apologize to you and all of them if this is what was understood from that Quote this was Not my Intentions to Harm any of their reputations in any Way[/FONT]
quote=Dominique;151345]Boy do I hate having to make this post!
It appears that some or several microgaming programs are going to follow Grand Prive in implementing “Single Sign ON”
This is a VERY NASTY policy that will shrink comissions to next to nothing.
In essence, if you send a player to any casino in a group, and this player has never played at any other casino in that group, you will be paid but only for play at the original casino.
From thereon, the player is considered the property of the casino group and neither you nor anyone else will be paid for play at any of the casinos except the original one.
In other words, they will cross-promote the player and pocket all tye comissions.
Let it be known, I am in the process of removing Grand Prive from all positions.
No matter how money I make with any group at this time, no matter how many players I have there, and no matter the relationship, any microgaming going that route will disappear from my sites overnight.
I will not put up with this, I will not waste any additional players on any such program, and I will make all the noise I can all over the net about it.
THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE![/quote]
Admins any possible way we can delete some of these double post it is getting confusing..:hattip:
The way it Works
You send a Player to CGB from your site they Download and Open an account.
That account is their Master account and they are given a email adress to sign in with.
This makes CGB there first Download and the Player belongs to you for his Life at CGB.
He has No reference to the 6 other Brands But still has One account.
So should he receive a CD via Mail or Download from another Affiliate he still has to go download and register his account say at BV during this Process he is told that he has an account at CGB does he want to Join them Up.
When he says Yes all that Happens in The background is his Purchase Options and other details are Transferd across to the the New account so that He can Log in using his email adress login details and does Not have to go and register His Purchase options and other Information again and so on.
All the Single Sign On does is Gives him this Access and a way to Log in without Multiple Logins and Passwords in Theory He will still need to Download the other Casinos before he can acess them by using his Single Sign On so its the Same as if we had 7 Individual Brands all we have done is Take away the Pain on having 7 account Numbers and 7 different Passwords and having to go and register his Purchase Options again 7 times etc
He has 7 accounts 1 for each but he does not see this he only sees the info he needs to log in hence Single sign on
So thats why 1 Player could have come through 7 different avenues eg.
1) CGB -Downloads through Affiiate A through a Banner
2) BV – Downloads through a CD
3) LP – Downloads through a Forumm Advert
4) JC – Downloads through a Magazine
5) RHR – Downloads through website he did a google Search
6) FJ – Downloads through Affiiate B
7) JW – Downloads through Affiiate CHe has 1 Login to get into any Of his accounts But only 3 Accounts will earn Comm for the Affiliate Depending On where The player is Playing
In the Past all that would have happend was he would have had 7 accounts and 7 passwords But only 3 Accounts will earn Comm for the Affiliate Depending On where The player is Playing
Same Thing is it Not?
Miles
Hope this Help
Why should we credit a Player $10 Free if he has Got 3 Accounts at 3 Of our Casinos in the Group all ready and not once ATTEMPTED to purchase with us at those and then he downloads a 4th just for the $10 Free does it not make sense to Say No to Him
You then have the $10 to spend on a Player That Might actualy Purchase and Play and add some Value to your Comm? I think it Does
bonustreak;151488 wrote:Miles if we sent them to your GROUP then we should get credit for all 7 casinos, once they have 1 account, you have them now to do what you want with and we all know you cross market via snail mail and besides that why would the player go seach out the casinos when they have them advertised to them right when they log in?I am confused about the 1 login Miles say I send you a player for the 1st time to the group and they are assigned the login, then they go and see another casino in your group at another website and download, will the not get and error message saying they already have a login???
This is what drew my attention with the $10 free for new players to the entire group Miles, the way you instist that they need to be new to the group, because once you snag them from there they are consider yours for the entire group.
I wont be promoting GP on my main sites anymore as cross promotion is huge, its a total slap in the face to have the program steal players we bring in. Single sign on is a joke, why not just convert all players to one grand casino and save all this hassle? Its damn skin shop designed to hijack players.
Why does he seem to elude the question by making long answer?
A yes or no is fine.
the answer is no, if you sign up a player, and they sign up to another one via the massive cross promoting they do you only get credit on transactions from the actual skin you signed the player up for.. good luck with that
I dont Understand and I apologize for the Way you feel.
Each Casino has a Very Differet Look and Feel No skins They are still Very Much Individual Brands.
Why must we get Punished For Making the Players Lives easy By not having to Remember 7 Logins account Numbers and 7 Password as well as to go into each Casino and have to Re enter the Purchase Options 7 Times when all they Need to do is Sign Up once and then even if they came back 1 Year Later to open the second accound all the Inof would be transferred?
Make Like simple for Most
No one is stealing from anyone your Players will Remain Your Players as Long as they are depositing and Playing at The casino Your Bought them Into We cannot Control If a Players Like a Brand More than another and wants to Play elsewhere?
What do you do if teh Player Leaves us fro another Casino group all together?
allfreechips;151503 wrote:I wont be promoting GP on my main sites anymore as cross promotion is huge, its a total slap in the face to have the program steal players we bring in. Single sign on is a joke, why not just convert all players to one grand casino and save all this hassle? Its damn skin shop designed to hijack players.I am with you Dominique I am spending alot of time building content related to microgaming casinos and to have these commissions reduced I dont think so !!!!
Hey Miles…
I am just trying to get everything straight
There is just too much wording here that it not geared towards the answer everyone is looking for.Can you please just answer this (without any long speeches)? That would be awesome of you!
Here is the scenario:
1. Affiliate1 signs up Player1 at Casino Grand Bay
1. Player1 signs up at Bella Vegas via the Grand Bay casino interface.
Does Affiliate1 get credit when Player1 makes a deposit at Bella Vegas?
Thank You in advance!!! That is the only answer I (and several others here) want to know
The answer Is No he will Only Get comm on Purchases made at CGB and NOT at BV as he did not bring the Player to Bella Vegas only to CGBand Yes i agree he did Bring the Player to the Group as Such but what if we had not gone Single Sign and had 7 Brands would the Affiliate still ask from Comm for each 1 of the 7 even if the player only ever opened one account through them at CGB?Short answer does Not explain why we had to do This to Make it Fair on All affiliatesI am So sorry this has caused such confusion BUT in our Defence this issue was discussed By Yashin Personally with Many of you before he Left if you never received this communication then we do apologise but this is Not newThats is why Players who were brought in by affiliates from Referspot before we went Live with the Signle Sign on stayed the way they were i.e if you bought them in then they belonged to you no matter where they Played or at What Casino
But after Single Sign on was introduced 12 Months Ago this was Just not Possible to do so it was decided that all NEW players bought in to the system would be subject to These changes that is why we have the 2 seperate Programs@Miles 151514 wrote:
what if we had not gone Single Sign and had 7 Brands would the Affiliate still ask from Comm for each 1 of the 7 even if the player only ever opened one account through them at CGB?Then, the player could be back to our casino portals and signup to another of your casino.
If he is aware that with one account he can play on all your casinos, when he will be back on our casino portals, he won’t register to another of your casino site and we won’t get money from those other sites of your network.So you are basically saying we are screwing you but hey we could screw you a way deeper if we wanted!!
Thanks for the answer Miles. Much appreciated.
The problem is that cross promotion (including any links in each casino and links in emails) is – in this scenario – stealing.
That is why affiliates are so upset. Nobody wants to send traffic if that player can be stolen at a future date (whether that future date be 1 day later or 1 year later).
Hope the clarifies things from our perspective.
Thanks again for the help with this answer.
That is why Players who were brought in by affiliates from Referspot before we went Live with the Signle Sign on stayed the way they were i.e if you bought them in then they belonged to you no matter where they Played or at What Casino this is the way we have Kept it so all players who belonged to you 12 months ago were not affected by the change
But after Single Sign on was introduced 12 Months Ago this was Just not Possible to do so it was decided that all NEW players bought in to the system would be subject to These changes that is why we have the 2 seperate Programskwblue;151520 wrote:Thanks for the answer Miles. Much appreciated.The problem is that cross promotion (including any links in each casino and links in emails) is – in this scenario – stealing.
That is why affiliates are so upset. Nobody wants to send traffic if that player can be stolen at a future date (whether that future date be 1 day later or 1 year later).
Hope the clarifies things from our perspective.
Thanks again for the help with this answer.
I appreciate that you mapped the old players from referspot seperately, I can see that they are still being credited and there is no breach of contract here.
It is totally within your rights to change your policies going forward, although I wish I had known this was the case.
Since the change, my earnings from referspot are still spoton, earnings from the new model are not.
Unfortunately such a policy regarding cross promotions make it too easy for the group to avoid paying comissions simply by moving the player to other GP casinos.
Hence I personally will not promote the new version of GP, nor will I promote any microgaming group who chooses to adopt this model.
Thank you for clarifying.
