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I’ve been following this on and off, and I honestly can’t say that I fully understand the consequences of the bill, and I haven’t read the entire thread here. sleepy.gif
However.
I think one thing is clear from the past events of the last few months, and that is, regardless of what IS or ISN’T law, if the US government want to do something and arrest someone, or ban an action, it WILL find a way to do it, whether you like it or not, or even if its legal or not. :nono:
So, even will the bill passed,
1) people will still gamble online
2) online casinos will still operate
3) US government will still get pissed off! :dafingersnothing changes. :cheers:
It’s all about supply and demand, if there is enough demand, then the supply won’t diminish. It will just adapt and work around the obstacles.
I seriously don’t think that all of a sudden, the demand reduces because of some bill. The players will always be there. It will be our job to educate and direct them to the online casinos, and how to deposit funds!
We’ve done this before! When Paypal first came on, then Neteller, then all the other forms of payment providers.
When the dust settles, and it will, someone will think of a genius way around the Bill, setup a new payment processor, and casinos will use it, and we will teach people about it!!!So….. anyone care for a brainstorming session on a payment solution that bypasses this Bill?
Come on, we could clean up here!! lol :stirpot:Ed
Sorry, but there isn’t any good news in this.
Part of the bill makes it illegal to accept money from bettors – that will be enough to scare off most punters. 3-5 years in jail.
Neteller is a public company and have made it clear they will not violate US law.
The point about supply and demand is correct. People found a way arond prohibition, and people find a way to get coke, or smoke pot if they want, and there are plenty of people willing to get very rich supplying them – do you want to be one of those kinds of people? Because that’s what you’ll be.
If this bill ever gets repealed it will take years, and there won’t be enough public support with so many more pressing concerns that politicians want you to worry about instead.
“Although we can’t monitor every online gambler or regulate offshore gambling, we can police the financial institutions that disregard our laws,” said Senator Bill Frist of Tennessee, the majority leader, who lobbied to add the crackdown to the port bill.
From the NYT.
I think this doesn´t sound so bad. There will be a way for US gamblers to transfer money.
Illegally, risking prosecution.
Well I hope the programs and their lawyers make their way out of bed and will be ready with a few statements on how they are planning to protect their business.
As I said before, a company like Alljackpots with 98% US players may as well file for bancruptcy straight away if they lose these players.
Bank -> casino = illegal
Bank -> neteller -> casino = legal:colgate:
cmos wrote:Bank -> casino = illegal
Bank -> neteller -> casino = legal:colgate:
soo
moneybookers should be ok too?
they are located in UK as far i knowowldeath2 wrote:Sorry, but there isn’t any good news in this.Part of the bill makes it illegal to accept money from bettors – that will be enough to scare off most punters. 3-5 years in jail.
Neteller is a public company and have made it clear they will not violate US law.
The point about supply and demand is correct. People found a way arond prohibition, and people find a way to get coke, or smoke pot if they want, and there are plenty of people willing to get very rich supplying them – do you want to be one of those kinds of people? Because that’s what you’ll be.
If this bill ever gets repealed it will take years, and there won’t be enough public support with so many more pressing concerns that politicians want you to worry about instead.
From my understanding, punters have no reason to be scared, since online gambling has not been banned by this bill. This bill only concerns the banks.The only major thing that actually be a problem.
“Circumvention” (S. 5367): ISPs and financial institutions can’t knowingly allow transactions/activity that violate the Act IF they “control” the bets or wagers.
Will USA start blocking sites for their internet users?
Well shit! I went out for the evening and The Evil Empire sneaks this shit through!
Guys I am reading the bill that passed now and I think you guys should pay careful attention to the restrictions listed towards the end of the bill. They DO seem to include ISPs and internet access to any sites which promote online gambling or have hyperlinks to other sites which allow or promote online gambling…. :banger:
Oh and by the way this isnt law yet. Its a bill thats been passed so at the very least we have time to develop a game plan of what will be done.
I am having a problem finding the final wording of the bill “as passed” anyone have a link?
BradQuote from Reuters News:
Quote:WASHINGTON, Sept 30 (Reuters) – Most forms of Internet gambling would be banned under a bill that received final U.S. congressional approval early Saturday.The House of Representatives and Senate approved the measure and sent it to President George W. Bush to sign into law.
Clearly, what we do will be “against the law” in this bill. How it gets implemented will remain to be seen. The latest Gallup polls indicate, that the recent drop in gas prices, has re-energized Bush and his party, and that the Republicans will retain both houses after the November election.
This means, indirectly, that this law will be pushed hard for implementation. Regardless of all the civil liberty cries, I clearly can see this party implementing the following:
1) Force of ISP’s to block sites in U.S.;
2) Prevent incoming/outgoing transactions to NETeller, FirePay, etc.;
3) Preventing the Major Credit Cards from accepting and transactions
from a “hitlist” of vendors, including # 2 above;Seriously, to implement those 3 above, will NOT take a serious amount of work for the vendors involved. It is all the spinoff back-door mechanisms that will result, that will be hard to catch.
If this is all challenged in Supreme Court (and you can bet that it eventually will), it will take years, if at all, to unwind this mess. The American political process has screwed us royally once again.
Time is short; time to diversify. Personally, I know that I don’t look good in stripes……………
All in all, no matter how you slice it, this is devastating news…….
I still firmly believe the ISPs were testing the filtering software earlier this year in anticipation of all this. I suspect they may have been privately told that this legislation would in fact become law and to have everything ready for immediate compliance when the time comes.
When I saw the filters in place and being tested at Adelphia/Comcast I couldnt access anything gambling related. I couldnt access casinos, I couldnt access poker, I couldnt access any of my portals, I couldnt access Casino Meister which isnt even based in the US, I couldnt access Neteller and I couldnt even access CAP… :crazy:
