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good point. I dont think that pop-ups work, although almost all of the online casinos themselves are using them…
hypnotik wrote:There is actually someone here on CAP username : ”Janet” who can be named the King of Blogs, but what of casino affiliate program(s) who condon it by allowing these sites to promote them?And btw my post at http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showthread.php?t=4632&page=3&pp=15 was for sure about that Janet
Just to clarify, that ain’t me. I’m not THAT Janet. :1circling
Of course it’s not you Fergie :wink-wink HIS CAP nickname is Janet as in http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/member.php?u=45
Here’s what I am going to do about the spam whores.
I’m looking them all up – easy enough to do on the search engines, and finding out what casinos they are promoting.Then, if I have any of these casinos on any of my sites, they’re coming down.
If enough of us followed suit, maybe the casinos will take notice, and start closing the accounts of these ethic-challenged webmasters.
REalizing that these spammers make a lot of money for the casinos, these kinds of measures won’t work unless we can band our crazy asses together.
A quick look on the SE’s shows me that these are the casinos/casino groups being promoted on the rogue sites:
Casino on Net (888) (tradal)
Empire PokerCasino Partners Casinos (Tropez et al)
IOG Casinos (King Casino, Swiss Casino, etal)
What Hypnotik says is absolutely right. These sites make the whole industry look like scum.
It’s laughable that the industry takes such a hard stance on emails (spam), yet the practice of throwing up sites with redirects and/or dirty seo practices are overlooked – or even encouraged.
Any casino group that shows such blatant disregard to the image of the industry as a whole in favour of quick profit, does not earn a place on my websites. 20/20 blindsight. Let’s look to the future – the long term future, folks. A future where, hopefully, online casinos and online gambling is as accepted and respected as land-based casinos in Nevada are.
Not only that, but by paying these rogue affiliates, these casino groups are shitting over the hard working, honest webmasters. The power to reform the serps lay in the hands of the affiliate groups. All they have to do to discourage it is to close the accounts of offenders. Why the hell do they not step up to the plate to protect the reputation of the industry they are in?
Now, on a side note, if good quality sites came up on the serps because of blog spam – who would care, if the site offers content and quality, and essentially deserved a good position on that basis, I wouldn’t complain at all.
But that isn’t the sort of site doing it, this is why it is upsetting to most of us.
Last time I supported a boycott it didn’t work – no cooperation from the people who made money with the programs, so little effect on the programs except for lots of bad publicity.
What I would like to see is a listing of keywords and the offending sites under them so everyone can go report them.
Now we are going to have to make proper limits on what gets reported, so we don’t have competitors listing their competitiors just to target them.
Only blogspamming and popup hells would be my opinion.
And it has to be properly checked – I found a lot of listings to one blog in my backlinks and I have NEVER posted on any blog. I went to investigate and they were linking to me (THANK YOU!!!! Make sure you ask me if you need something!)
So, we can’t have sites listed without properly investigating the matter.
We can report these sites till the proverbial cows come home, but that’s just spinning our wheels and getting us nowhere.
The people who make these sites don’t just stop when a bunch of their sites get penalized – they expect that to happen and they are continuously producing more sites to replace them.
The most effective way to stop them is through the casino groups themselves.
Repeatedly reporting them is just another blemish on the industry, and it will (and already has) backfired on ALL gambling webmasters. As insiders we may know the difference between a spam/junk site and a regular one, but to the people at the helm of the search engines, gambling sites are just a pain in the ass, and they’ll keep on changing the algos until we’re all penalized because our keywords happen to be online gambling related.
— But wait! hasn’t that happened already?
No, it’s an individual effort. But if enough of us do it on our own (stop promoting casinos who appear on the crap sites), we can make a real difference.
Just out of principle, I’m not going to promote a casino group that lets these scoundrals shit on us.
Fergie – good idea, but the last time I tried that, the affiliate program not only justified it, but also closed my account, and I did not get my commission (pfuh, they can wipe their a**es with it)…so my goal for this year was to do anything in my power to move them off the top spots – losing big money would be the best punishment for them :flamer:
As far as the blogs – acctualy I have read in a few places that some webmasters acctually place links to their competitors on “active” blogs, blogs which may implement the new
tag, since most of the webmasters expect those links in fact to be considered negative by the search engines…which IMHO is the result of the new Google look…coksukerz… The people who make these sites don’t just stop when a bunch of their sites get penalized – they expect that to happen and they are continuously producing more sites to replace them
Good. Make ’em work very hard, so other options become more attractive.
There should be less amount of work involved in producing a decent site that will make it to the top than in producing lots of pieces of junk.
Really, the more types of action we take, the better.
Hi Guys.
I still stick to my “on topic spam is still on topic” stance.
In the spirit of that I would like you to find 10 search phrases (that would actually be searched – not “online gambling internet casino video poker online”) that do not give the user any relevant information within the first page of SERPs. So in Google that would be in the top10, yahoo the top20, MSN the top10.
10 Phrases. In a timely manner. Must be proper search terms that REAL people would type. Be unbiased. If a site is beating your but still provides information then it can not be included on the list.
Oh, and if it isn’t obvious. The sites that provide no information for search terms must use obvious black-hat tactics – or spamming – to acheive their positions.
If you find that easy then be my guest and add more.
P.S I am not trying to attack anyone here or be a smart ass.
All spam… internet slots…. #5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 10. I didn’t even look at the second page…
Is that on yahoo?
I am #4 and not blog spamming at all.
Google…. and this isn’t even blog spam, this is old school spam such as repeating the same word over and over…
Ok, I’m going to update my criteria. The search phrases have to mean something as well. For instance “online casino” doesn’t count because we don’t know what people are searching for.
Are they:
Looking for online casino laws?
Looking to play at a online casino?
Looking for bonuses by online casinos?
Blah Blah Blah…Internet Slots is a general term that can mean lots of things. If I searched for “Internet slots” or “online slots” I’d be looking for a site to play the slots for real money. Others might just want the payout percentages or information on how they’re regulated.
Anyone who attempts to go for the general terms should expect to see every dirty trick in the book. It’s just business.
It’s just business.
Sorry, but no.
It is ruining the business for people who actually offer quality services.
How many people who went through popup hell are going to search for casino terms again?
Gambling is sitting on the fence of respectability and sleeziness.
I hate to see it fall into the pit of sleeziness, it will be the final push the right wing needs to actually make it illegal.
People are digging their own grave and that of all of us.
We could all have a lifetime of a high and stable income – instead some of us are ruining the business for the rest with get rich quick schemes that will kill the respectability we have worked so hard to establish.
It is ruining the business for people who actually offer quality services.
How many people who went through popup hell are going to search for casino terms again?
Spam will be around for a long time. It’s not just the casino industry.
My point is that if you have a brilliant website with lots of content and clearly being top of your niche that means absolutly nothing. IMHO casinomeister should be #1 for many gambling terms like “online casinos”, “online casino”, “online gambling” to name a few. I think there are many that would agree, and just as many that would disagree.
My point is that if you have a brilliant website you need to advertise. If that means posting a link on a dormant blog or guestbook then fine. If that means slightly editing your text so the keyword density is higher then fine. If that means buying some text links on another site then fine. If you have the best website for your targeted terms then it does not make any difference how you get high rankings.
I keep saying this and will continue to say this. On topic spam is still on topic. I am sorry that I keep posting this but I feel very strongly about it. By the way I think it’s great that the SE’s brought in this rel=nofollow tag. It allows active blogs a way to say “Don’t post your spam here, it won’t work anyway.” But for all those dormant blogs that haven’t been touched in months or years then go ahead. If the owner doens’t want spam let them remove the pages, it isn’t that hard.
Making content and getting your site up and running isn’t even half the battle.
On topic spam is still on topic.
We could all have a lifetime of a high and stable income – instead some of us are ruining the business for the rest with get rich quick schemes that will kill the respectability we have worked so hard to establish.
This high and stable (my income isn’t stable btw) income is exactly what is forcing some of us to try these get rich quick schemes. The more people that hear about these high incomes the more that will try to make money. And as always they will try the get rich quick schemes first. As always, the more competition the more we will look for better ways to rank higher.
I actually wrote about twice as much as this post but decided to remove some of it.
