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Users running queries on search engines don’t look at the backlinks of the results they see. If a user does a query for “texas holdem” and finds a site about “texas holdem”, said user is happy and couldn’t give a care in the world how that site happened to sccore. I dont think there is search engines spam, just bad algorithms.
Listen, this vertical that we compete in has ALWAYS had its serps filled with aggressive SEO tactics and it ALWAYS will. You filling out spam reports isnt going to change that. Some sites may get nuked but more will just fill its place. Count on it. Instead of wasting time telling tattle tales to the search engines to hurt your fellow webmaster and competiitor, maybe you should work on trying to compete.
>>>snide comment to make<<< Certainly not my intention. I just found it funny that in one of the most spammed out ares of the web, webmasters actually turn each other in. Sites
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How would you like it?
I could carry on but you’d think i’m trying bust your balls and I ain’t.A bit of background..
Instead of wasting time telling tattle tales to the search engines to hurt your fellow webmaster and competiitor, maybe you should work on trying to compete.
There is great wisdom in this sentence, I think.
I dont think there is search engines spam, just bad algorithms.
Ok, how can a search engine update it’s algorithm without feedback from it’s users?
Instead of wasting time telling tattle tales to the search engines to hurt your fellow webmaster and competiitor, maybe you should work on trying to compete.
Puck it seems that you think tattle tales = reporting problems with algorithm. (your logic)
There is great wisdom in this sentence, I think.
I’d agree with that Randy if we understand that it’s “Compete” not “Cheat”
… just my opinions …
Basically, since there are no search engine advertising opportunities available, people in this business are almost forced to resort to these sort of things, especially when you see the people that use this tactic being rewarded in Google. There really isn’t that much risk as I’ve read where other sites have been reported before and the search engine does nothing for months, if ever. That’s enough time to build a nice player base.
Where I see it hurting someone is a situation I ran into recently. I inquired about advertising at a blog and was told that if my site had ever spammed their group of blogs in the past they would not accept advertising from me. So yes, it could hurt you down the road. And I would also be worried that eventually the search engines are going to stop counting these as legit back links.
blackhawk wrote:Ok, how can a search engine update it’s algorithm without feedback from it’s users?I agree. Spammers need to be turned in or we will never see decent results.
Search engines should be able to tell quality sites from trash, and they never will unless we help.
>>>> Ok, how can a search engine update it’s algorithm without feedback from it’s users? <<<< Isnt that why they have all those fancy phd’s on staff? So what are you going to to tell the search engine? That you did a search for texas holdem and none of the results were relevant to the query? When I do a search for that term, I find all kinds of sites about texas holdem. It seems to me that Y! for the most part has as an algorithm that is able to tell that a site is about texas holdem. If I start to see sites about porn mixed in with my searches about disney, then its time to fill out report to a search engine in order to help them with their algo. Lets face facts, you arent reporting sites to Y! because the results arent relevant, you are reporting them because they are out ranking you using a method that you dont like. Have you ever seen gaming serps not filled with sites that use aggressive SEO tactics? I haven’t. Anyhow, if you have time in your day to act as a volunteer to help a search engine with it’s perceived algorithmic failings, then you are at a competitive disadvantage because aggressive webmasters will be using that time to productively work on getting sites to score.
You could also have a website on prozac listed #1 for texas hold em. It doesn’t matter what the content of the site is, all that matters is the keywords spammers are targetting. This is why blog spamming is nearly impossible to compete against. This is also why webmasters feel forced to report spammers. What would take 5 months of hard work, can be achieved with 3 hours on the spam machine.
Well, I agree with the anti-spamming policy, but it looks like lost cause to me, and here is why:
The blogs are the “hottest thing” right now – at least once a week there is something on CNN about the darn blogs – so there is no way the search engines would stop counting links from blogs, especcially when they roll out things like blogger.com by Google, etc.
And second, no company has the man power to manually drop-off spamming websites. It’s not only the gambling industry, it’s even worse for the “online Pharmacy”, “adult websites”, “insurance”, “hotels/travel”, “credit cards”, you name it – if it makes any kind of money – it’s spammed. Maybe the only thing that is not spammed is the keyword “redcross”, but believe me, they are comming… :unhappy:
Isnt that why they have all those fancy phd’s on staff?
You thought they hired a bunch of phd’s to go check all the search terms?
My guess is that they hired those people because they are responsible for the actual formulation of the algorithm (You know, programmers, engineers, etc…) I certainly wouldn’t guess they were “data collectors” for every industry sector.
What’s wrong with the SE relying on “feedback” to help mold their algorithm? After all, I rely on the SE to provide free traffic to my websites.
So isn’t it in my best interest (if I build quality websites) to keep the serps as top-notch as possible?
So… about competition: If you see my point above you’ll realize that the people you say are “ratting out” other webmasters aren’t doing that at all. They are actually being more competitive than you. They are building better websites and helping to shape the serps of the future to reflect quality sites and not shit sites.
So now the table is turned – It is you people who are whining that people are “ratting you out” that should get busy working and being competitive instead of relying on software and spam techniques to cheat your way to the top.
“people in this business are almost forced to resort to these sort of things,”
Only the bottom feeder losers.
“I agree. Spammers need to be turned in or we will never see decent results.”
Spammers are just cheats. Only a fool doesn’t turn in cheats in games they play.
“When I do a search for that term, I find all kinds of sites about texas holdem.”
What a nonsense statement. Being relevant to a query is not the point, and any three year old knows that, so please spare up the obtuse comments. Search engines rank results, and users expect ranked. They don’t expect random stuff pulled out of a hat.
“Lets face facts, you arent reporting sites to Y! because the results arent relevant, you are reporting them because they are out ranking you using a method that you dont like.”
Oh please. Stop the nonsense. Relevant has nothing to do with anything so stop talking about that. A redirect can direct a person to a relevant site, but the URL listed is not the genuine result. This should be reported. The top fifty links all redirecting to the same casino are all relevant and it makes no difference at all. It is cheating and breaks the rules and should be reported.
“Anyhow, if you have time in your day to act as a volunteer to help a search engine with it’s perceived algorithmic failings, then you are at a competitive disadvantage because aggressive webmasters will be using that time to productively work on getting sites to score.”
More backwards thinking. Bottom feeding spammers waste more time than anyone. It takes a few minutes to turn their lame, weakling butts in.
I volunteer to make me more money.
“Instead of wasting time telling tattle tales to the search engines to hurt your fellow webmaster and competiitor, maybe you should work on trying to compete.”
Spammers are not my “fellow webmasters”. They are cheating vermin that need to be stomped out. And, I make more money than all the spammers here (including the #1 one who right now doesn’t believe that could be true), so save the ludicrous comments about competing.
Spammers grub for pennies when tens of millions are at hand.
“Sites Positioned Above Mine”
The mantra of people who don’t know what they are doing. Instead of repeating simpleton nonsense, learn how to build and promote quality content, and then maybe you’ll figure out why spam is just a mosquito. Spam is the stuff ranking below me that will be culled from the database in short order because it is rat garbage of the Internet.
And yes this is harsh, but that is because spammers may be webmasters but they are not in the same business as I am. The pathetic cheats have to accept that this is the status they choose for themselves, and pretending they are “fellow” is delusional.
“So isn’t it in my best interest (if I build quality websites) to keep the serps as top-notch as possible?”
Of course, just like when anyone breaks the rules of a game you play in, you tell the officials if they don’t see it.
The cheaters cry and cry and cry when people follow the rules. It is honestly one of the most pathetic things on the Internet. These guys can’t compete so they resort to cheating, and complain when others follow the rules. It makes no sense obviously, but that is part of being pathetic, you have to do these hopelessly illogical things.
It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
People who build quality content want quality results. People who throw trash against the wall, want trashy results. You can do either one, but the interests of these two groups are exactly opposite, and no one should pretend otherwise.
While I wish Classics would post in a less agressive and confrontational style (it borders on flaming), I do definitely agree with you, Classics.
Your comments are right on the button.
Steve, you crack me up.
>>>>the interests of these two groups are exactly opposite<<<< Uh, no. The interests of both are to grab as much traffic as they can. >>>>I make more money<<<< Big woop, whats next, your going to tell me your dads bigger than mine?
Great posts, classics and blackhawk.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
