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@Irwin 151602 wrote:
I would like conclude in saying this, I do not appreciate some people twisting my colleges words and posting some thing if they are unsure about any thing at our Group.
From what I have read, I really don’t see any word-twisting here.
The main thing appears to be the question that you either keep ignoring or do not recognise as the major issue – that is, the question regarding cross-promotion by the grandprive group itself to casinos other than the one the affiliate brought the player into.
What happens if an affiliate brings in a player for casino A and then grandprive (rather than another affiliate) attract that player to casino B using an email, or a special offer to that player for casino B?
It’s a simple question, but this is the question you seem to be avoiding – it revolves around a case where there is no affiliate B, just grandprive, who have acquired all the contact details of a player through the hard work of affiliate A and then use it to cross-promote.
Just like grandprive, affiliates have long lists of casinos they are able to promote to. Perhaps Grand Prive would consider giving affiliates the contact details of the players (email etc.) so that they too can cross-promote the players to other casinos? Somehow, I don’t see that grandprive would entertain such an idea.
We have given the answers Previous Posts.
What you also need to take into account is what about the 90% of our Player Base That we Bring in from other Sources outside of Affiliates and Cross Marketing.
If you as an afifliate sign Up a Player after we have allready Done the Leg Work and Marketing and Got them into Our Group before they even Know of You or Have found Your Links Somewhere We still Pay you Commission On those Players Should we stop this Practice too How fair would that be?
So it works Both ways Affiliates Still earn Comm on all Players we as A group Bring in without your assistance But we still Pay you even if they Come in from a Banner A year Later
Dendrite;151605 wrote:From what I have read, I really don’t see any word-twisting here.The main thing appears to be the question that you either keep ignoring or do not recognise as the major issue – that is, the question regarding cross-promotion by the grandprive group itself to casinos other than the one the affiliate brought the player into.
What happens if an affiliate brings in a player for casino A and then grandprive (rather than another affiliate) attract that player to casino B using an email, or a special offer to that player for casino B?
It’s a simple question, but this is the question you seem to be avoiding – it revolves around a case where there is no affiliate B, just grandprive, who have acquired all the contact details of a player through the hard work of affiliate A and then use it to cross-promote.
Just like grandprive, affiliates have long lists of casinos they are able to promote to. Perhaps Grand Prive would consider giving affiliates the contact details of the players (email etc.) so that they too can cross-promote the players to other casinos? Somehow, I don’t see that grandprive would entertain such an idea.
@Miles 151608 wrote:
If you as an afifliate sign Up a Player after we have allready Done the Leg Work and Marketing and Got them into Our Group before they even Know of You or Have found Your Links Somewhere We still Pay you Commission On those Players Should we stop this Practice too How fair would that be?
So if i understand we can get the player you marketed before us,and then, you can get back the player from us by doing cross marketing to another casino of your group.
Player downloads the Casino From a BV CD we sent Out our From a Magazine we advertised On etc we Bought the Player inot Our Group you had Nothing to Do with this Player ( he now has a BV account at Out Group)
Then 1 Year Later He stumbles across your Banners and Downloads a CGB account
Youll earn Comm on This Player at CGB for Life even though He had an account with Bella Vegas and THe GRandPrive Group allready
WE did all The marketing To get Him inot the system and Yet we still Pay comms to You
PaRaDiGm;151610 wrote:So if i understand we can get the player you marketed before us,and then, you can get back the player from us by doing cross marketing to another casino of your group.@Miles 151612 wrote:
Player downloads the Casino From a BV CD we sent Out our From a Magazine we advertised On etc we Bought the Player inot Our Group you had Nothing to Do with this Player ( he now has a BV account at Out Group)
Then 1 Year Later He stumbles across your Banners and Downloads a CGB account
Youll earn Comm on This Player at CGB for Life even though He had an account with Bella Vegas and THe GRandPrive Group allready
WE did all The marketing To get Him inot the system and Yet we still Pay comms to You
I’m sorry but you forgot the second part of my sentence. Then you can cross marketing the player i referred from the banner to another casino of your group and get back this player.
NO I think you Misunderstood
We have allready Got this Player in our Base for Over 1 Year He had a BV account allready He is Our Player he Only downloaded CGB One year Later
If we wanted to do something regrading another Casino The player Was Ours for 1 year Prior to Him downloading from your Banner?
We have tHis Right Dont we i Mean he has been our Player for 1 Year and Once he downloads from Your Bannner We still Pay you Comms No matter what we did in Regards to Marketing Befoire you Signed Him Up?
My Point is We do Not hold Back Comm becuase the Player belonged to Us 1 Year Earlier Than when he discovered You
We Pay You even though the Player was Ours
PaRaDiGm;151613 wrote:I’m sorry but you forgot the second part of my sentence. Then you can cross marketing the player i referred from the banner to another casino of you group and get back this player.@Miles 151615 wrote:
NO I think you Misunderstood
We have allready Got this Player in our Base for Over 1 Year He had a BV account allready He is Our Player he Only downloaded CGB One year Later
If we wanted to do something regrading another Casino The player Was Ours for 1 year Prior to Him downloading from your Banner?
We have tHis Right Dont we i Mean he has been our Player for 1 Year and Once he downloads from Your Bannner We still Pay you Comms No matter what we did in Regards to Marketing Befoire you Signed Him Up?
My Point is We do Not hold Back Comm becuase the Player belonged to Us 1 Year Earlier Than when he discovered You
We Pay You even though the Player was Ours
Yes we get paid on players you marketed before us until you cross marketing the player to another casino of your group.
And if the player is new ( you didn’t marketed him ) you can also cross marketing him to another casino of your group and we don’t get paid anymore.
Anyway, if anyone still want to promote this affiliate program, i would recommend him to get CPA.
I would need somthing in writing sayin none of my players would be cross promoted before i would send any major traffic to the casinos in the future. As I recall wasnt there actual cross promotion in the actual casino? I havent played ina long time but i recall seeing the others in the homepage and banking section I thought?
Miles or Irwin can you please answer the following question without refering to other affiliates or year old ad campaigns.
Question:
1. I sign up a BRAND NEW player at Casino Grand Bay TODAY, January 23, 2008. (I understand I recieve commissions from that players activity at Grand Bay, so lets not rehash that).
2. In February or March my player receives a promotion FROM GRAND PRIVE inviting my player to try out Bella Vegas. A free chip or offer may or may not be included as an enticement.
3. The player enjoys the look and feel of Bella Vegas, the customer service, their player host or whatever and makes that their primary casino and ceases play at Casino Grand Bay.
Now, the $64,000 question….. Do I receive commissions for THAT player at Bella Vegas?
@Irwin 151602 wrote:
With single sign on it works exactly the same way.
Again single sign on does not affect our affiliates as this is how it is done.
If affiliate A brings player 1 to Casino Grand bay he will get his commission on what ever the player spends at this casino.
If affiliate B brings in the same player to Jupiter Club it is only fair to give affiliate B the commission that the player spends in Jupiter club.
Therefore a Player will only be tagged to an affiliate per casino and not per Group.
I would like conclude in saying this, I do not appreciate some people twisting my colleges words and posting some thing if they are unsure about any thing at our Group.
To all my affiliates, I will never lie to you and you may contact me at any time to discuss any thing you are not sure about.
I would appreciate my affiliates contacting instead of listening to roamers.
Kind regards
Irwin
Affiliates ManagerUS Toll Free: 1888 881 7768
CA Toll Free: 1888 891 7768
UK Toll Free: 0800 404 8456
Email: [email protected]
msn: [email protected]With the risk of sounding rude, will you once and for all please forget this bloody affiliate B, we have NO problems with that.
If anyone is twisting and turning to avoid the actual question it is you guys, and you are just getting deeper and deeper into the dirt every time you avoid the point.If I, affiliate A send a player to CGB and you GRAND BAY send a promotion for Jupiter to his e-mail that I collected for you, will I then get revenue?
See, no affiliate B, just you GRAND BAY!!!Affiliate Programs should consider affiliates as the member of the family, but not trick us.
EverestAffiliates is a good example of the way things should be.
You send player to everest casino:
They promote everest Poker room
PLayer signs up
You get comission on poker as well as casino too!!
@casinotime 151635 wrote:
EverestAffiliates is a good example of the way things should be.
You send player to everest casino:
They promote everest Poker room
PLayer signs up
You get comission on poker as well as casino too!!
Intruiging! Something GP is obviously not doing no matter how often they twist their tongues talking about evil “roamers”. :tongue:
lol, 90% of the time ‘Affiliate B’ is going to be the casino itself..
I almost hate that I am replying. There seems to be a total lack of intelligence here. Everyone should read between the lines here and let this go, I think we know who is twisting what.
We should all be paid a $25 bonus for having been forced to read this whole thread just to figure out the answer to a single question. :flush:
