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MichaelBluejay wrote:Nick: So you won’t put your money where your mouth is. Big surprise!
Nolan: Your patience and restraint is remarkable. I wish I were as good at that as you.
Who in their right mind would trust a clown like you to pay up
Snap out of it buddy
nick777 wrote:You know what NolanYou could’ve saved yourself all this aggrevation if you had only read what i said from the start correctly
I specifically said to split and double down on the 10’s, not just split
This is well within the house rules, as i provided the link above, maybe not online, but it is a rule that is beneficial to the player(which we surprisingly agree on)and one that most casinos should honour
So it’s not 2x like you want it to be, it’s 4x like i made very clear
Play a few rounds in practice mode at Bodog or some other casino until you get a pair of 10s. After splitting, you will be dealt a second card on each hand before you have a chance to double. Here is a quote from Absolute Poker — a website you mentioned in this thread:“If your first two cards are of equal value, you may split them into two hands. A wager will be placed equal to the original bet. One card of the initial hand goes into each hand, and then a card is dealt to the first hand. After you have completed your first hand (elected to stand or have gone “bust” – your cards equaling more than 21), a second card is dealt to the other split hand and playing continues. A maximum of 5 splits are allowed..”
The house edge is greatly affected by the rules on offer by the casino. The following rules are beneficial to the player:
Doubles are permitted on any two-card hand except a blackjack. This allows the player to choose to double when he is most likely to win more freely.
Doubles are permitted after splitting. This allows a player to potentially get many bets out in favourable circumstances.
Early surrender; the ability to forfeit half your wager against a face or ace before the dealer checks for blackjack. This is beneficial because some hands a player has are so unlikely to win that its better to just surrender half the bet.
Normal (aka “late”) surrender.
Resplitting Aces. This avoids a player getting an unfavorable total of 12.
Drawing more than one card against a split Ace. This allows a player to draw a weak soft total if the dealers is showing a high card.Five or more cards with the total still no more than 21 as an automatic win (a “Charlie”). This is not a commonly seen rule.
The following rules are detrimental to the player and a game that uses these rules should be avoided:
Less than 3:2 payout on blackjacks (6:5 and even 1:1 payouts have become common, especially in single-deck games, in Las Vegas). This is the worst rule for the player, the house edge is increased over eightfold.
Player losing ties. Since a tie will occur almost 8% of the time., a player will lose money up to and over twenty times faster at this type of game. Even in cases where the casino shows both dealer cards face up, allowing the players to see the dealer’s full hand (called Double Exposure), the rule is still more detrimental to the player.
The following rules increase the house edge, but only slightly:
Dealer hits on soft seventeen (ace, six). This makes the house more likely to land a higher total.
Splitting a maximum of once (to two hands). This reduces the effect of splitting, since a player may end up with the original hand again.
Double down restricted to certain totals, such as 9-11 or 10,11. The player cannot hit on soft totals that he may have an advantage at.
No-Peek (European) blackjack. The player loses splits and doubles to a dealer blackjack, as opposed to only losing original bets.
NolanA wrote:Play a few rounds in practice mode at Bodog or some other casino until you get a pair of 10s. After splitting, you will be dealt a second card on each hand before you have a chance to double. Here is a quote from Absolute Poker — a website you mentioned in this thread:“If your first two cards are of equal value, you may split them into two hands. A wager will be placed equal to the original bet. One card of the initial hand goes into each hand, and then a card is dealt to the first hand. After you have completed your first hand (elected to stand or have gone “bust” – your cards equaling more than 21), a second card is dealt to the other split hand and playing continues. A maximum of 5 splits are allowed..”
Nolan
That was the whole point of all this and the principle behind it, that you could double down after splitting, i thought i made that very painfully clear
nick777 wrote:NolanThat was the whole point of all this and the principle behind it, that you could double down after splitting, i thought i made that very painfully clear
In my “PS” a couple pages back, I suggested that you attempting to double immediately after a split could be the source of the incorrect results. You CANNOT double down immediately after spltting at Bodog (or just about any casino). Instead, you are dealt another card, making your total 12-21. You can double on this 12+ two card hand.If you want to talk about an imaginary rule set where blackjack pays 2 to 1 and you can double down on 1 card hands, then go ahead and do so. But your imaginary rules won’t apply to typical play.
Quote:Who in their right mind would trust a clown like you to pay upHave you never heard of attorneys and escrow? Honestly? Really?
I am ready to deposit the money into escrow the first thing tomorrow. I’ll even let you pick the licensed attorney. Then let me know what stakes you’d like and what city you prefer to meet in.
Let me guess — you’ll find some other excuse not to accept.
Oh, and as for my integrity, maybe you should ask around about that.
nick777 wrote:Doubles are permitted on any two-card hand except a blackjack. This allows the player to choose to double when he is most likely to win more freely.Doubles are permitted after splitting. This allows a player to potentially get many bets out in favourable circumstances.
Did you read the two-card hand part in your quote? If you split a pair of 10s, it is initially a 1-card hand. It is not a two-card hand until the dealer gives you the second card, increasing the total to 12+.
NolanA wrote:In my “PS” a couple pages back, I suggested that you attempting to double immediately after a split could be the source of the incorrect results. You CANNOT double down immediately after spltting at Bodog (or just about any casino). Instead, you are dealt another card, making your total 12-21. You can double on this 12+ two card hand.If you want to talk about an imaginary rule set where blackjack pays 2 to 1 and you can double down on 1 card hands, then go ahead and do so. But your imaginary rules won’t apply to typical play.
Now that’s not true
At the casino you can split and double down
Just because these online casinos changed the rules to make it more profitable for them doesn’t change the fact that the original rules of the game were put in place to attract players and make the game possible to win at.
I mean who will continue to play a game where you have no chance of winning, only a go off
It’s because of this that casinos will honour the original rules of the game and not risk going belly up, which is why i almost never play at online casinos
If i have all my player advantages taken away then i will not play, and nobody else should either, that will put them in their place
And i will get 2-1 on my blackjack like was customary back in the day, or even 3-1 from those looking to recruit new players, or possibly 10-1 like it was 100 years ago when casinos were the new rage.
nick777 wrote:Now that’s not trueAt the casino you can split and double down
On a 2-card hand. Do you know the difference between a 1-card hand and a 2-card hand?
nick777 wrote:Just because these online casinos changed the rules to make it more profitable for them doesn’t change the fact that the original rules of the game were put in place to attract players and make the game possible to win at.
The rules that have been the focus of this thread are standard casino rules. Yes, there are dozens of possible rule variations including paying 2:1 for BJ, but it is not typical in either B&M casinos or online.So you guys won’t stop until you get dummied up a bit
The last time i saw a face like Bluebird’s up there it was moochin quarters at the track, not someone who should be correcting me.
So you wanna play huh, you the dealer using Nolan’s demented rules interpretation vs me and my useless system, you get the noodlehead of the day award, congratulations.
Like i would go through the trouble of enlisting attorney’s and escrows to prove something i already know to be true to a know not.
Thanks, but i’ll pass, you guys go play with eachother
And little bookworm Nolan with his goggles on and Advanced Algebra, Grade 12 Edition turned to page 54, Blackjack Probabilities section
You’re trying to be a smartass eh, i’ll tell you, it’s a terrible thing when the mind has been conditioned to believe in something that is proven not to be true, you just can’t accept it and search for anything to salvage your belief, but it’s just not there, yet you reach farther and farther, clinging on to the one last desperate attempt that i might be proven to be the unwise by not knowing the difference between a one card hand and a two card hand.
It’s time to crush your remaining kernel of hope my friend
You can go to Bodog and play Super 21 Blackjack, where…
*Player may hit and double down after splitting
*Player may double on any number of cardsNow you go put some coin in your pocket, courtesy of my formula
Just invest the winnings wisely, i worry about your future
Take care guys, have fun
Guys I just popped into this thread for a peek and I DONT like the tone of some the posts. This is a valid discussion, but we dont tolerate name calling and rudeness here at CAP. Nick You of all people KNOW that. Now cut it out or you are going on a much longer vacation. If you cant discuss Blackjack without insulting people then dont discuss blackjack. That shit you said about Michael is uncalled for and I dont want to see this again.
Last Warning, dont make me look like a moron for giving you access again.
:angry:
Conversation between me and Lou
Lou : Hey Nick wtf are you doing bothering the noobs
Nick : Lou, you know these guys ?
Lou : Yeah, my cousin, he’s a bit slow, they’re his buddies
Nick : Yeah sure, but i don’t need to be propered out here, you know
Lou : Yeah Yeah Yeah, i know
Nick : Alright, no probs
Lou : Just stop being a go off
And Nick moves on to other side of Lou’s house to grab a drink and check out some of that fine Florida honey
Seriously, all kidding aside
I was trying to get out of it, even after these guys came from nowhere to take diggs at me
I figure they are big boys and can take some too, cuz you know how much i like to give
I swear, i haven’t posted here in a couple months, and as soon as i do, all hell breaks loose, damn, i was talking about blackjack, what is so controversial.
And Mikey pissed me off all the way from Texas, i was thinking about putting a few bucks on the Cowboys this weekend, now i’m all messed up, not sure i wanna donate anything to their goodness down there.
I’m officially done with this, if somebody wants to take the time and see for themselves that i’m right, that’s fine, but i’m not commenting to these guys who twist my words in a way to make themselves appear correct, the truth is that none of their little tools can figure this out, they have to do it for themselves old school.
P.S.
I like that “probation”, kinda leaves me open to any patsy trying to get my goat, i would prefer something like “battling with mental issues”
I suppose “not letting someone get your goat” is an art.
Your theories are most welcome, as is your reasoning, but why all the insults?
This is not a “duke it out” fight, or an ego trip, it is a (very interesting) discussion of theories surrounding proper Blackjack play.
Perhaps you can concentrate on the BJ and ignore the personalities, if they “get your goat”? This is not a thread about personalities, it’s about BJ. It’s not about you, or others, it’s about BJ. You tend to lose sight of that for some reason.
So, put on your “poker face” and talk about BJ instead of other people, and you will be doing just fine.
nick777 wrote:It’s time to crush your remaining kernel of hope my friendYou can go to Bodog and play Super 21 Blackjack, where…
*Player may hit and double down after splitting
*Player may double on any number of cardsNow you go put some coin in your pocket, courtesy of my formula
Just invest the winnings wisely, i worry about your future
Take care guys, have fun
Have you ever even played Super 21? It does have some unique rules. You can double on 3 card hands, on 5 card hands, and even on a blackjack… but you are dealt a second card immediately after a split. You cannot double until after the second card is dealt. Optimal strategy is still standing on a pair of 10s. See Wizard of Odd’s to confirm — http://wizardofodds.com/superfun21 . Or just try playing the game in practice mode.Quote:So you wanna play huh, you the dealer using Nolan’s demented rules interpretation vs me and my useless system, you get the noodlehead of the day award, congratulations.Like i would go through the trouble of enlisting attorney’s and escrows to prove something i already know to be true to a know not.
Yeah, you should, if you want easy money. If you’re right, this would be the easiest win you ever had. Any other gambling you do, the odds are against you. Here I am offering you an opportunity where the odds are in your favor (in your eyes), at any stakes you care to name. I’ll even travel to whatever city you’re in to complete the wager. Why would this NOT be worth your time?
Quote:You’re trying to be a smartass eh, i’ll tell you, it’s a terrible thing when the mind has been conditioned to believe in something that is proven not to be true…Um, who exactly proved this not to be true…YOU? The position that Nolan and I are taking has been validated by every single last bona fide expert on the face of the planet. Your position is supported by…who?
And you won’t even stand behind your own position with a wager?
I notice the more I ask you to put up or shut up, the more names you call me. Interesting.
