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Hey guys lets cut him some slack here.
The cost of being the VP of marketing must be exorbitant!Brad
Ah. I’ve seen this model before.
Its called the Catcheroo Model.
Get as many affiliates to join and send $1000….
then…..
Disappear with the loot … This type of model was started in Nigeria. hehehe
:woo-hoo: :woo-hoo:
Is “JacksNQueens Affiliate Program” affiliate with Dutch Boyd at all?
On a serious note, players should be warned about sites like these, there have been too many fly by night schemes that have ripped off online poker players thereby discouraging potential customers from playing online.
I think an affiliate program should prove them selves before making outrageous demands or at least have a recognizable and trusted brand name.
Nobluff wrote:On a serious note, players should be warned about sites like these, there have been too many fly by night schemes that have ripped off online poker players thereby discouraging potential customers from playing online.I think an affiliate program should prove them selves before making outrageous demands or at least have a recognizable and trusted brand name.
Agreed. If they are trying to squeeze people for $1000 a pop then who knows what is in it for the players. As I said anyone that tries this is obviously clueless about how things operate in the online poker industry.
I think some clarification of our program is needed. At this time there is no $ investment required to be an affiliate of JacksNQueens. We do require that our affiliates guarantee to send us at least 250 players that create email verified accounts within the first six months. These 250 players are not required to make a deposit only to create an account. Some of the affiliates we have are already well over this mark and we haven’t even started our beta-testing which should be later this month. So 250 is hardly a significant obstacle for any site that has made the effort promote. I have no doubt all of our affiliates will reach the 250 mark within six months. Again, the point of having requirements is to separate the affiliates who are serious about promoting the site from those who are not.
Also, just a comment about the nature of the dialogue. I have no problems answering questions or responding to criticism of our program or the amusing sharp wit. I think a healthy dialogue about these issues is legitmate. I do think that false and completely unfounded accusations that we are doing something unsavory or underhanded with the intent to harm either affiliates or players is ridiculous. I mentioned this before but I think this illustrates the point that some affiliates see the poker rooms as the enemy and are not interested in devloping a professional business relationship. I have rarely seen poker rooms attack affiliates in public forums but it is not uncommon to see some portion of the affiliate community not hesitate to make false accusations and attempt to defame the operators. It is hardly surprising that Party Poker has an official policy of not even responding to forums.
So my request is let’s keep the dialogue professional, informative, and witty.
Thanks,
VP Marketing
JacksNQueens.comQuote:The main feeling I am getting is that some of you are offended that you should make any commitment to any poker room.Nah… not offended by a commitment. Those are made by affiliates all of the time. Anyone who’s been doing this for a short period of time knows that they can put a ton of work into a program and never see a dime because the program is unable to track, or they are just plain crooks.
People are unwilling to increase their risk by actually sending you money.
I never heard such non-sense, can’t say too much more. I am speechless.
greek39
JacksNQueens wrote:I have rarely seen poker rooms attack affiliates in public forums but it is not uncommon to see some portion of the affiliate community not hesitate to make false accusations and attempt to defame the operators. It is hardly surprising that Party Poker has an official policy of not even responding to forums.Unfortunately, it is frequently the case that the only recourse affiliates have is to spill the beans on a public forum in an effort to stop other affiliates falling into the same trap. Affiliate programs would have no reason whatsoever to criticise particular affiliates on a forum unless they were responding to derogatory comments (much like you are here). It’s not like affiliates can change their T&C’s and steel the poker rooms players or fail to account for referred players or many of the other underhand things affiliate programs have been reported as doing. it is largely a very one-sided business relationship unless you are an extremely big affiliate!
JacksNQueens wrote:I have rarely seen poker rooms attack affiliates in public forums but it is not uncommon to see some portion of the affiliate community not hesitate to make false accusations and attempt to defame the operators.So my request is let’s keep the dialogue professional, informative, and witty.
Thanks,
VP Marketing
JacksNQueens.comAnd you wont see poker rooms attack an affiliate, as without the affiliates thier revenue would turn into crap just like your backwards thinking plan. Why on earth would you want live dealer online poker for? I dont know about you but making the game take 5 times longer and having to watch crappy video of it would make me leave.
As far as your costs of having affiliates, please tell me the cost of the mass exposure to a captive crowd via affiliates and how that compairs to the cost and resluts of direct marketing?
Oh, and some affiliates signed up over 250 players already and you dont even have beta software yet? Someone forgot to ship me the crack pipe I guess as that makes about as much sense as this thread.:tooconfus
some affiliates signed up over 250 players already and you dont even have beta software yet
That is amazing, isn’t it?
Just like stacks , I learned my lesson from them , never promote a room till its running.
There is nothing wrong with waiting to promote a poker room until it is up and running. Some of the larger affiliates that have signed up are in fact doing just that. However, there is nothing wrong with promoting a site before it’s opening either. Every product in the world is pre-marketed.
To Dominique’s point that it is amazing that people have signed up in advance….not really, did you see the lines of thousands of people waiting for the latest Playstation 3….people were shooting each other over that. People are very excited about live webcam poker and we have many players that are very anxious to get started.
To allfreechips point: I think you misunderstand, the webcam is not of a poker dealer but the actual players at the tables. Also, to the idea that there are no costs to having affiliates, why do you think Bodog, soon to be Pokerstars, and other operators have restrictions on affiliates? Answer, because these companies don’t want to spend time and money on affiliates that are not going to produce. In addition the affiliates are being paid a percentage of the lifetime action in many cases so that is a real long term cost that can be balanced against the cost of direct advertising.
Finally to JohnV’s point: That affiliates only recourse is the forums. Well, I think again this is an indication that the relationship between affiliates and operators is often advesarial instead of a partnership. All the more reason for affiliates to choose operators that are dedicated to their success. The fact that you agree that the relationship is one sided, and I agree in most cases this is true, indicates that for most affiliates (not the super-affiliates) there is a feeling of general distrust. It is for reasons just like this that we developed an affiliate program built on mutual dedication to success.
At JacksNQueens.com we believe that we are both dependent on each other for success. Our affiliates provide players and exposure and we have to provide excellent compensation and an innovative poker room that will convert the players that are sent our way. No new poker room can survive without both elements and no affiliate can profit off of a new poker room without both elements as well.
VP Marketing
JacksNQueens.comthe webcam is not of a poker dealer but the actual players at the tables
Jacks and queens , can you explain what this means ? is it going to be players playing using webcams if they chose , so instead of having an avatar they would have a live feed of themselves ?
JacksNQueens wrote:To Dominique’s point that it is amazing that people have signed up in advance….not really, did you see the lines of thousands of people waiting for the latest Playstation 3….people were shooting each other over that. People are very excited about live webcam poker and we have many players that are very anxious to get started.Sony PS3 vs JacksNQueens online poker, that comparison blows my mind.
