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But it’s not like franchising, which would mean that affiliates would operate mirror sites.
It’s simply recruiting a sales force.
What happens after the first 3 months , then they say you have to send 500 players in the next 3 monts of your account will be closed.
This whole game plan might have worked in 2002 when poker was starting and wasn’t huge. But it’s 2007, you’ve come into the game (US football analogy), in what was the end of the first half (until congress acted, now maybe it’s 4th quarty) and want to be treated like a premium player.
I’ve sent 10,000s of thousands of free players and 1000’s of depositors to party poker and pacific poker, never did either ask for more than “more exposure” or “What can we do to help you?”.
There is very little money to be made on a new poker network, since there aren’t enough games to attract new players or hold existing ones. America’s Card Room, and LVFH come to mind. I’ve tried lot’s of new rooms, in addition to conversion rates that are about 3 to 10% of places like party poker and stars, they’re revenue per player is usually 20-25% of a large room.
You want 250 emails? Then offer affiliates a 10% bonus on their first 6 months earning for generating that number of players.
No one earning a living in the business would commit to what you ask, without the operator pre paying some or all a CPA.
I applaud you on your confidence and steadfast defense of your plan. But New Coke failed, they went back to the old formula and they were the market leader. All the successful programs didn’t fail to think of this “great” idea you have, they determined it was a flawed idea.
Dominique wrote:But it’s not like franchising, which would mean that affiliates would operate mirror sites.It’s simply recruiting a sales force.
Thats why I said loosely – its taking the concept of buying in but dropping the exclusivity part
“Man I’m serious, it says it right here… you have to sign up 250 players…Gee they must think we are smoking dope!”
Hehehe good one!
We all have a choice; if you dont like the arrangement then walk. No reason to sit around complaining about something you have no interest in.
The program will either succeed on its model, fail and change, or fail and vanish. At the end of the day its no skin off any of our backs if we were never involved to begin with.
Course with all that said, their business model is totally screwed up. :kissass:
So what happens if an affiliate doesnt bring in 250 players? Do you keep the $1000 + their commissions and lock their accounts? FTR, your business plan is predatory in nature and for that reason you will most likely fail unless you make some changes.
If you commit to a 1500 per month banner spot on my site for 6 months (paid up front) I will send you back 1K.
Their business model is deeply flawed, plus I’m more than a bit suspicious of these guys, how can they afford to offer 65% MGR??
I think I’ll stick with my existing programs, although now I think about it :rasta:Axl – were not complaining – as when we do not like something we just will not sign up.
Just having a laugh at them ,
we need something to laugh at after how we all got screwed last year with usa players.
Thanks again for the feedback. The truth is that the market is moving away from the free affiliate sign-ups not the other way around. As the poker rooms consolidate and become larger there will be less and less effort spent on affiliates and more spent on direct advertising. The reason Bodog has internal criteria, as PokerStars is now developing, is that there are real costs associated with acquiring and maintaining affiliates.
The reality is those affiliates who have enough confidence and ability to work with us and can share in our vision of webcam poker tables are going to do so. Those affiliates will be able to share in our growth. The 250 player sign-ups are simply a sign of commitment to make sure we are not wasting each others time. For those affiliates who dislike the idea of working with JacksNQueens.com because we want dedicated partners it is not likely that they would promote our site anyway because they by definition don’t want to be dedicated to us. It is not a little ironic that the biggest complaints I hear are from people who never had any intention of supporting us to begin with. Would the posters on this thread have me believe that if there were no requirements that all of you would sign up tomorrow and vigorously promote the site? Are you being held back by the idea of sending 250 registered players over six months to a site? I think if that is what is holding you back then it is very unlikely that you have any interest in the site to begin with.
Our strategy has saved us enormous amounts of time and money and gives us affiliates that have a vested interest in our success. If you want the same old affiliate program with no exclusivity, mediocre payment schedules, and you want to promote new poker rooms that are skins or represent the same old room you get everywhere else then there is nothing I can do to help you. If your a large affiliate and are set in your ways and don’t want to give new poker rooms a chance then I can’t help you either. However, if you think webcam poker tables have a real chance to become very popular and that these tables open up whole new marketing opportunities and you are looking to promote something innovative and fresh and you want a big exclusive piece of the action, then we can do business.
Best regards,
VP Marketing
JacksNQueens.comJacksNQueens wrote:Thanks again for the feedback. The truth is that the market is moving away from the free affiliate sign-ups not the other way around. As the poker rooms consolidate and become larger there will be less and less effort spent on affiliates and more spent on direct advertising.well feel free to pay us all a flat rate fee to put banners on our websites and start your direct advertising now
if you think webcam poker tables have a real chance to become very popular
I do think that is a good concept.
Too bad I would never be interested in an affiliate program such as yours.
Got to hand it to you though, keeping a controversial thread such as this going on CAP gets you a good amount of free exposure and publicity.
Well, thanks for the nice words Dominique. It is too bad that you would not be interested in our affiliate program. Despite your reservations, I will leave the door open for you should you change your mind at a later date, provided we still have openings.
Regarding our 65% MGR, that is about as high as we could possibly go. At that rate we are, depending on the deposit method and such, slightly above water. Of course as a new poker room we have to push the envelope both in our innovations at the poker room itself and in the compensation our affiliate program offers.
Finally, regarding the thread, I didn’t start it, I just came across the attack on our site and responded appropriately.
Best regards,
VP Marketing
JacksNQueens.comWhen I got this spam a month ago I thought it was some sort of joke. I can’t imagine anyone has or will ever send this guy $1000. Even the biggest portals send less then 10 real players a month to their micro sites. This site is not even live yet and wants 40+ a month and an up front $1000? :rollover:
Networks like Games Grid and Action Gaming average fewer then 10 real money players per skin at any given time. There are also many well promoted micro networks that don’t have any traffic. You obviously don’t understand your industry if you are serious about this.
