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I think we probably do agree on the majority of issues, mainly being control (of rogue affiliates), regulation and fairness for all (and I do not mean monopolies and price fixing before we hit another nerve with anyone)
As for
“Seriously, if only for your own health”
That’s just a language issue. I was referring to my suggestion that Casinolisten might be losing sleep…and it might be better for his health not to worry so much.
I assure you we do not have a Sicilian office that makes house calls
:shooter:…yet
Best wishes
RTR
PS while I’m here would anyone have any ideas why we are unable to see the “Thanks” button next to anybody’s posts…we merely get
Thoughts anyone?
“Thanks” in advance@RakeTheRake 143201 wrote:
I think we probably do agree on the majority of issues, mainly being control (of rogue affiliates), regulation and fairness for all (and I do not mean monopolies and price fixing before we hit another nerve with anyone)
I don’t think bb1webs support the way you instruct players to open multiple accounts?
Price fixing is already a reality. And it’s sad, because I have removed the worst rakeback poker rooms from my site and since I won’t make money there anymore, I seriously consider to make a website with “100%” rakeback….and maybe detailed instructions on how players can open affiliate accounts and play through their own trackers.. :tongue:
Why not give the players “100%” rakeback? You can always ask the players to make a pay pal donation. :hattip:
@Casinolisten 143202 wrote:
I don’t think bb1webs support the way you instruct players to open multiple accounts?
This is the issue. Theft of players that have been registered as lifelong assigned to an affiliate.
That is why I am saying the affiliate should have nothing to do with comps.
If the room wants to award comps in order to retain players, they should do so.
Rooms are also biting themselves if they have a business structure that doesn’t allow for retention efforts, because affiliates don’t care where their players play as long as it’s an honest quality place. Affiliates will move players from room to room and retain the player loyalty for themselves and not for the room.
This whole sneeky under the table deals business just stinks, and the whole poker industry smells bad from it.
A place that cannot afford retention efforts is just a bad business model.
RTR ,
thank you for clearing up that quote: any threat of any kind is not acceptable.
You can always ask the players to make a pay pal donation
LOL!
Thanks guys for warning me not to put more effort in marketing poker.
I did not earn much in the past do not now and probably will not in the future.
IMO it is just too time consuming to write good content, has the worst conversion rates and there are too many poker sites already.
If you want to get some hits for poker you will have to spend all day writing. Besides that you need a good forum and good poker tips for your players (to be).
I serve a few poker programs on my sites but that is just for entertainment. Experienced pokerplayers go to the established websites anyway.
It is just not my “thing”.
Besides that I do not know anything about poker LOL.
Regards
Rickbb1webs;143179 wrote:Dan I don’t know where you’ve been but we as a collective have fought many battles to protect our way of life (likely you have benefited from some of these and perhaps were unaware) and it wouldn’t have been accomplished if we all were not able to come to some kind of understanding to work together (Dom, KW, Prof, Integrity, .. amongst many others leading the way). And undercutting other affs is not working together.At some point if we all keep accepting less and less …. we end up cutting each other’s throats and doing all the work for programs for very much less than we could have earned.
IF you can’t see the logic in such then I doubt anything i can say from this point will ever make you. And as I said, … i hope you don’t ever have to learn my point the hard way.
Of course I can see the logic but you have to realize that as long as the poker business is as lucrative as it is money is going to flow toward the players. Since the pokerrooms don’t have any more to give it is obvious that the affiliates accept a lower payment in order to attract players.
Don’t you promote poker bonusses?
Rakeback is the same thing. I just need to go down in percentage in order to give the players this offer. But it is paid by the pokerroom in exactly the same way as a bonus.
/Mike
Mike, you are totally missing the point.
It’s not about percentages or what players get, it’s that the rakeback system encourages theft and that poker rooms lie to us.
It is a badly set up business model all around. If the poker rooms can’t afford to run a decent retention program without encouraging theft they need to do some serious thinking.
I am with you when it comes to theft of players but to blame the rakeback system as a whole makes no sence.
Seriously – getting 35-40% as an affiliate is a joke. It is way to much and a lot of that cash should go to the players. I agree that the rakeback system has flaws but more money going towards the players is only natural and to be honest it also seems fair.
The fact that pokerrooms lie to the affiliates and re-track players is a major problem that needs to be stoped but to blame rakeback as a concept is wrong. Big bonusses and promotions given to large affiliates creates the same problem.
/Mike
@DanTheMan 143271 wrote:
Seriously – getting 35-40% as an affiliate is a joke. It is way to much and a lot of that cash should go to the players. I agree that the rakeback system has flaws but more money going towards the players is only natural and to be honest it also seems fair.
The fact that pokerrooms lie to the affiliates and re-track players is a major problem that needs to be stoped but to blame rakeback as a concept is wrong. Big bonusses and promotions given to large affiliates creates the same problem.
/Mike
If it keeps the rooms from doing their own proper retention and comping players properly, then the commission % is a joke.
Installing a system that encourages theft and lies is not the solution.
Poker rooms need to do the math then and adjust their expenses so they can comp players appropriately without causing theft and deception in the industry,
@DanTheMan 143271 wrote:
Seriously – getting 35-40% as an affiliate is a joke. It is way to much and a lot of that cash should go to the players. I agree that the rakeback system has flaws but more money going towards the players is only natural and to be honest it also seems fair.
/MikeThe two biggest and most successful poker rooms online do not allow affiliates to give rake back to players.
PartyPoker pays plus 20%. PokerStars don’t have a revenue share program, but maybe they will some day…
They have their own comp program. Party points etc. I don’t think my partygaming commission is a joke. I like it a lot!
:hattip:If PartyPokers comp program sucks, then please tell me why they are one of the biggest and most successful poker rooms. Why do they have so many happy players that keep coming back day after day, night after night?
How is it possible to pay 20% commission and have happy players?
PokerStars & PartyPoker do a very good job at retaining their players.
It’s liquidity and player satisfaction that keeps players coming back – something that both above have nailed.
Party also pays more then 20%.
@Casinolisten 143278 wrote:
If PartyPokers comp program sucks, then please tell me why they are one of the biggest and most successful poker rooms. Why do they have so many happy players that keep coming back day after day, night after night?
How is it possible to pay 20% commission and have happy players?
Bad players plain and simple. People don’t play at Party due to their party points. Plus great marketing to keep bringing in new players.
@Pokeraddict 143363 wrote:
Party also pays more then 20%.
I know. They pay 20%-30%. Maybe more to VIP affiliates.
@actyper 143370 wrote:
Bad players plain and simple.
Aha. And how many “bad players” do you think rakeback affiliates refer to a poker room?
