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@darko123 142598 wrote:
well its not quite that straight cut.
Both companies said they couldnt find an account for you = to them you are a brand new customer and not a customer who is tagged to another affiliate.
Come on. It’s obvious what’s going on! They couldn’t find me in the system because I used a “fake” mail address, and in the same mail they ask me to open a new account through another affiliate.
Quote:I have played at PokerPlex since January. I just found out that some players receive rakeback. I would also like to receive this. I have contacted the website where I found pokerplex, but they won’t give me rakeback. Can you help?Quote:Further to your enquiry regarding rakeback, may we suggest that you register a new account through an affiliate, which will then allow you to receive rakeback. Unfortunately we are not in a position to advise you which affiliate to choose.yea i understand that – but they are assuming you dont have an account as they couldnt find you (even if you said you do), which is true as u said u used fake emails. If any new customer emails a poker room for rakeback – i belive most will tell you to go find a rakeback affiliate.
so i see nothing wrong with what those rooms have done – You ARE after all a new customer to the room / network (with the email address/credentials you gave them).
If you emailed them with a real account etc, i believe you will get different replys from them.
And If you emailed them with a real account etc and they sent those replys to you – Then i would be very very dissapointed with the poker room and those emails would be cause for alert.
I think your very naive :wink-wink
@Casinolisten 142605 wrote:
I think your very naive :wink-wink
not at all…. is wanting proper proof as opposed to ussumptions is naive ? Dont think so !
im just pointing out that what you did when emailing those companies doesn’t mean anything or prove anything
so by your emails are we just meant to “assume” (now who’s being naive) that if the poker room did find your legitimate account which is linked to an affiliate that they would still send those replies.
I deal with proof, not assumptions, so should you.
So who wants to volunteer to donate some real accounts to repeat this experiment? I would be very interested in the outcome. Obviously they would have to be rather big accounts to see how they react to the lure of bagging a big player.
@darko123 142607 wrote:
not at all…. is wanting proper proof as opposed to ussumptions is naive ? Dont think so !
im just pointing out that what you did when emailing those companies doesn’t mean anything or prove anything
so by your emails are we just meant to “assume” (now who’s being naive) that if the poker room did find your legitimate account which is linked to an affiliate that they would still send those replies.
I deal with proof, not assumptions, so should you.
Actually I don’t care what the support says, because we all know how things work.
1. Players can open multiple accounts.
2. RB affiliates tell the players how to do it
3. The players will know about this sooner or later if they read at poker forums.I have a friend who mailed pokerplex again. Here we go…
Quote:Subject: Re open accountHello,
I used to play at pokerplex, but it’s been a while. Now I consider playing
at pokerplex again. But I want rake back!I have contacted the website where I found pokerplex when I signed up, but
they don’t give rake back to their users. Can you help?
Can I make a new account through another affiliate?My username is XXX.
Best regards,
XXX
Quote:Dear Mr XXX,Account Number: D20XXXXXXX
Hello and thank you for contacting the PokerPlex support team.
As you may know, we at Pokerplex cannot favour any particular affiliate and can therefor not advise you in this matter. We can, however, advise you to do an online search and surely you will find something that answers your needs that way.
Thank you for your understanding in this matter and we apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.
If we can be of any more assistance please do not hesitate to contact us. We are here for you 24 hours per day 365 days per year. If you’d rather call a full list of our numbers can be found at http://www.pokerplex.com/contactus.shtml
Kind regards
Customer Service
PokerPlexQuote:Thanks for your reply.Just so we are clear. Is it okay if I open a new account through a rakeback affiliate?
Thanks
XXX
Quote:Dear XXXAccount Number: D20XXXXXXX
Hello and thank you for contacting the PokerPlex support team regarding signing up through an affiliate.
It is most defininately alright if you open an account through an affiliate. As already previously advised, we at Pokerplex cannot favour any particular affiliate and can therefore not advise you in this matter. We can, however, recommend to you to undertake an online search and surely you will find something that corresponds to your needs.
This time the support won’t use the word NEW ACCOUNT. Only “It is most defininately alright if you open an account through an affiliate”
But come on. The player is already signed up through an affiliate and the support has his real name, username and account number. Maybe the support has been warned, because it feels like they are trying to send the player to a RB affiliate who can do the dirty work for them.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pokerplex+rakeback
http://www.raketherake.com/PokerPokerPLex.html
Quote:If you already have an existing account with PokerPlex, you may still be able to sign up with us for rakeback. Please contact us here for more details.You can conclude whatever you want. I don’t feel it’s safe to send players to these poker rooms. I will find other poker rooms where the revenue will continue to go up…not down…
Casinolisten, your complaint is with Crypto, not with RTR or any other rb affiliate. If you don’t like it either don’t promote them or offer rakeback yourself on Crypto. This is an issue specific to Crypto that is likely due to the fact the skins are in a position to compete against each other. Complaining that RTR or any other rb affiliate does something condoned by the poker rooms is absurd. I cannot think of any other sites that allow this so it is not an industry wide problem.
I don’t have the time to investigate all poker rooms, but as far as I know, this also happens on betfairpoker. They are not on the Cryptologic network.
I’m sure it’s possible to find additional poker rooms. Don’t you?
Btw I don’t promote Cryptologic poker rooms anymore. I have removed them from my main sites and I will remove them from my other sites when I have time.
New affiliates should be warned: If you don’t give rakeback to your players don’t promote Cryptologic poker rooms. Your players and revenue will disappear…
I guess it was an old habit Betfair could not break from being a part of Crypto. AFAIK here are site rules from sites that allow rakeback as to whether you can open a new account for any reason.
Prima – No but you can play on as many skins as you wish
Crypto – Yes
Full Tilt – No, any new account gets locked and funds transfered to old account.
Absolute – No but players can open an account at Vegas247 if they have not played in 90 days
Ultimate Bet – Recently dropped their rule allowing players to have 3 accounts.
Cake Poker – No but you have as many accounts on the network as you want. AFAIK only 1 other skin allows rakeback and it seems to be done semi under the table.
Betfair – Mentioned above must allow players to sign up again for rakeback
Ongame – Doesn’t officially allow rakeback, many skins have found bonus programs that resemble it. Players can sign up for as many skins as they want.
iPoker – Can’t make up it’s mind. AFAIK rakeback is not officially allowed but there are plenty of cashback type programs. The last time I checked you could only have 1 account on iPoker. Older accounts were grandfathered in.
Boss – Players cannot sign up for multiple accounts on one skin but can have more then one account on the network. When all the 24h skins started being on both networks it looks like they dropped the max account rule but I’m not positive.
Bodog – Does not allow multiple accounts, probably the strictest room there is about dual accounts.
That should cover the major ones that allow rakeback or something that closely resembles rakeback.
I read about 4 pages of this 6 page thread. I have spoken out loudly about the disgrace of rakeback and will continue. It is stealing.
what i find funniest about this … since I have long ago given up on this niche … is that rakeback affs will end up in most cases … getting what they deserve.
Example. Doyles room. you steal .. yes I said steal .. a player from a legit aff and then you have a place like doyles leave your targeted area only to come back later … you’ve got a lot of players involved in your sceam … yes I said sceam … and suddenly you’re going to be getting letters from unhappy surfers wanting to know why you’re not sending them their kickback? Because trust me if there is one thing i’ve learned in my many years of this industry is scum knows no loyalty. You really think when they open back up you’re going to start getting credit again for the majority of your players? think again. of course you’ll get some.
but in the long run if you’d only played it straight you’d still see the same income if you went with decent poker rooms and EARNED your own players from the start instead of stealing them.
Yes its true …. not all rakebacks are intentionally stealing . … but your very setup is designed to do just that. and you know it whether you’re willing to admit it or not.
What’s sadder is the aff programs that allow rakebacks. they are the true villians. and prove their worthyiness in their approach. if they allow rakeback …. then they will screw anyone over at any time elsewise why would they not have just had a rakeback for every player that joins in the first place and not played these silly games? That is something I will likely never figure out.
and wtf is this qoute?
Seriously, if only for your own health
RTR
you threaten someone physically? Or please explain that qoute? Personally if its how i took it …. I think this person should be banned from CAP forever.
Betfair steal all my players from PokerChamps :madat:
They send players emails asking them to sign up at Betunfair and offer players bonuses!!
Hard work and 3000 players at PokerChamps are gone :flush:
Do you think it is FAIR ?? :Pisser:
Depends DC…. you offer rakeback?
I’d like to add its a simple equation. everyone keeps cutting the others throats .. such as offering rakeback … and we all lose.
Now how smart is that?
that said…. things have already reached such seriousness that its almost a lost cause.
I suppose you rakebackers can keep cutting each others throats until you’re making almost nothing and doing all the work for the aff programs.
@Dcbonus 142708 wrote:
Betfair steal all my players from PokerChamps :madat:
They send players emails asking them to sign up at Betunfair and offer players bonuses!!
Hard work and 3000 players at PokerChamps are gone :flush:
Do you think it is FAIR ?? :Pisser:
What is so sad is that Pokerchamps was one of the few rooms that has an internal rakeback program for all, one that several affiliates here (like Dom for example) would be happy with since it would prevent the “poaching” so many are unhappy about. Betfair purchased Poker Champs 12-18 months ago.
I’d compare this to an affiliate sending a player to a casino, and then the casino cross promoting that player to another casino on their program without tagging it to the affiliate. There are plenty of programs out there who do this to some degree.
You can pick and choose the casino affiliate programs you want to promote, just like you can pick and choose your poker affiliate programs.
IMO rakeback poker is here to stay unless a better revenue model can be found which makes rakeback obsolete.
