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@allfreechips 175047 wrote:
We need to break away from the same ol crap we had for the last 24 years. On a high note Ron Paul has a quite a following going still for his strict constituion goverment, Sara Palin looks amazing as a reformer.
20 out of the last 28 years have had a Republican president. Ron Paul has it right but he came off sounding like a quack during the debates.
Although an excellent speech, that’s all it was, for me the verdict is still out on Sara Palin. Something about her bothers me. I have the feeling she’s a loose cannon. I think she way over did the Obama the digs. I’m going to wait till she is unscripted.
1. Republican presidents can veto congressional law just as easy as a democratic president. If the bills from congress are so outrageous, why isn’t bush vetoing them? The republicans can stop any bill in the senate with a fillabuster, so blaming bush and the republicans for the crap they’ve done/allowed is in fact correct.
Bill Clinton shut the government down by vetoing budgets he didn’t like. George should’ve grown a pair of balls for use against congress if he was so powerless.
2. US law and society was much more socialist in the 50s, 60s, 70s, than today. yet the US economy and society was and still is the most free economy of nato/g8.
These repeated claims of socialism aren’t just silly, the evidence doesn’t support the fact. What wealthy industrial countries grew faster than the US in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s or the last 8 years? I’ll bet that the US won most decades and if it’s not the countries will more growth would likely be more socialist than the US ever was/is/will be, think Netherlands, Sweden even UK under thatcher was considerably more socialist than the US ever was.
Just remeber you get what you ask for
Healthcare is broken, correct but paying for it waith tax dollars is not the solution
Social Secuity is doomed at its present course, fixing it with more taxes is not the answer
Bill clinton removed the line item veto before leaving office.. so you can all thank him for earmarks and stupid little laws passing on must sign bills.
@slotplayer 175055 wrote:
Although an excellent speech, that’s all it was, for me the verdict is still out on Sara Palin. Something about her bothers me. I have the feeling she’s a loose cannon. I think she way over did the Obama the digs. I’m going to wait till she is unscripted.
Without an exelent speach all obama has left is a shady record of Chicago style politics and shady realestate deals.
You must look beyond the news media portrail of all this.
Speaking of sick of hearing, I am sick of being told were living in the great depression the last 8 years…
@allfreechips 175060 wrote:
Speaking of sick of hearing, I am sick of being told were living in the great depression the last 8 years…
We have not been living in the great depression the past 8 years, but we are almost there now thanks to GW and Dickhead. Have you ever read about Herbert Hoover (R) and the Great Depression?
Seriously, people see one issue they are concerned with, are told their problems will be solved if you elect me and the lemmings fall in place..
I shal now retire from this thread
Good luck to you all and I truely wish you all the best no matter the outcome.
@allfreechips 175060 wrote:
Speaking of sick of hearing, I am sick of being told were living in the great depression the last 8 years…
And you well be even sicker after another four years of the same.
When people lose their homes and file bankrupcy and can’t afford to pay $4.50 for a gallon of gas and there is NO ONE left to tax or purchas anything but the rich then we will ALL be sick of the BS and figure out a solution.
This woman makes Dick look like a moderate!
@allfreechips 175060 wrote:
Just remeber you get what you ask for
Healthcare is broken, correct but paying for it waith tax dollars is not the solution
Social Secuity is doomed at its present course, fixing it with more taxes is not the answer
Bill clinton removed the line item veto before leaving office.. so you can all thank him for earmarks and stupid little laws passing on must sign bills.
Without an exelent speach all obama has left is a shady record of Chicago style politics and shady realestate deals.
You must look beyond the news media portrail of all this.
Speaking of sick of hearing, I am sick of being told were living in the great depression the last 8 years…
Acutally removing or raising the ceiling (We stop paying into it after the first $102,000 of wages) would fix SSI for the most part. It is really medicare/medicaid that is in much more serious trouble.
I always thought the supreme court overturned the line item veto, so I looked it up.
Line Item Veto Act of 1996
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe Line Item Veto Act of 1996 enacted a line-item veto for the Federal Government of the United States, but its effect was brief due to judicial review.
Public Law (P.L.) 104-130 [1] was introduced by Senator Bob Dole on 4 January 1995, cosponsored by Senator John McCain and 28 other senators. Related House Bills included H.R. 147, H.R. 391, H.R. 2,H.R. 27 and H.R. 3136. The bill was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on April 9, 1996 and was immediately challenged in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia by a group of six senators, first among whom was Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV), where it was declared unconstitutional by District Judge Harry Jackson, a Reagan appointee, on April 10, 1997. The case was subsequently remanded by the Supreme Court of the United States with instructions to dismiss on the grounds that the senators had not suffered sufficient injury to press charges under Article III of the United States Constitution (i.e., the senators lacked standing). The case, Raines v. Byrd, 521 U.S. 811 (1997), was handed down on June 26, 1997, and did not include a judgement on the constitutional grounds of the law.
It was used against one provision of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 and two provisions of the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 before being challenged again in two separate cases; one by the City of New York, two hospital associations, one hospital, and two health care unions; the other by a farmers’ cooperative from Idaho and an individual member of the cooperative. Senators Byrd, Moynihan, Levin, and Hatfield again opposed the law, this time through Amicus curiæ briefs.
Judge Thomas Hogan of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia combined the cases and declared the law unconstitutional on February 12, 1998. This ruling was subsequently affirmed on June 25, 1998 by a 6-3 decision of the Supreme Court of the United States in the case Clinton v. City of New York. Justices Breyer, Scalia, and O’Connor dissented.
I guess the fact checkers got busy on the RNC.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check
@GamTrak 175066 wrote:
And you well be even sicker after another four years of the same.
When people lose their homes and file bankrupcy and can’t afford to pay $4.50 for a gallon of gas and there is NO ONE left to tax or purchas anything but the rich then we will ALL be sick of the BS and figure out a solution.
I dont think all the finance issues can be blamed on the government.Just from the few friends i know that are American , I can see that getting credit is USA is too easy.My friend is on social security and single mother of a 10 years old ,She has $50,000 in debt on credit cards and loans ,doesn’t own a home and makes maybe $30,000 a year.All these mortgages failing has mostly to do with people overextending themselves and not planning for rainy days.
I agree there are pockets of people affected by Job Losses ,but i think stupidity and overspending has MUCH to do with it.Attitudes by the banks and people in general here in Canada are more conservative.We have always had 25 year mortgage terms and you buy what you can afford in that time frame.
I am a single mother of a 18 year old Son ,my child support from his Dad is $450 a month.Until I came to work for Judy three years ago i never made more than $35,000 a year.It amazes me how many of my friends had big paying jobs at GM ,Making double the money and was living paycheck to paycheck.I just bought my First home and move in October 1 ,I bought a $190,000 townhouse although my bank told me i can buy up to $347,000.
If i go back to making $14 dollars an hour i can still afford it.I think who you vote for depends which side of fence you are sitting.I think if ‘none of the above’ was an option that is who you guys will vote for.Good luck is all I will say LOL.
Gas Prices is in the Corporate hands ,I am waiting on the day the Sauis tellt he world what these bloodsuckers are paying for the Oil.God Bless Newfoundland and Danny Williams LOL
Gina
One thing I think we can ALL agree on is that American CAP members are very passionate about their country and whats best for it. I just hope whoever we put in office remembers that they work for us. Oh and that I can keep my guns :shooter: you know that little 2nd amendment thingy
@casinobonusguy 175084 wrote:
I dont think all the finance issues can be blamed on the government.Just from the few friends i know that are American , I can see that getting credit is USA is too easy.My friend is on social security and single mother of a 10 years old ,She has $50,000 in debt on credit cards and loans ,doesn’t own a home and makes maybe $30,000 a year.All these mortgages failing has mostly to do with people overextending themselves and not planning for rainy days.
So the folks that let people over extend themself on credit cards and give out badly termed mortgages should have no responsiblity for it? Next we will here how we have to bail out so that they don’t suffer.
The american people are not lazy folks looking for a hand out, but if we all have to pay taxes then WHY can’t we use the money to help out folks like you mentioned above?
Why is it ok to WASTE our tax dollars to take care of Iraq? NO ONE seems to want to talk about that!
@ssd 175087 wrote:
One thing I think we can ALL agree on is that American CAP members are very passionate about their country and whats best for it. I just hope whoever we put in office remembers that they work for us. Oh and that I can keep my guns :shooter: you know that little 2nd amendment thingy
Yep, and I’m glad that we can discuss this topic in a manner that is not hostile or offensive to anyone here.
You can keep your guns, but I’d also like to gamble online, not have my privacy invaded and pay the same percentage of taxes that the rich guys do.
@GamTrak 175089 wrote:
So the folks that let people over extend themself on credit cards and give out badly termed mortgages should have no responsiblity for it? Next we will here how we have to bail out so that they don’t suffer.
The american people are not lazy folks looking for a hand out, but if we all have to pay taxes then WHY can’t we use the money to help out folks like you mentioned above?
Why is it ok to WASTE our tax dollars to take care of Iraq? NO ONE seems to want to talk about that!
Actually I dont think the banks and credit card com companies should eb responsible,I get credit card offers all the time and throw them in the garbage.Just because a bank offers you credit or a 50 year mortgage is no reason to take it.If peopel go bankrupt over stupidity that;s their problems and no i dont think you should pay for them or governements should pay.if a 400,000 house has a 600,000 mortgage then of course the bank will write it off.If a person has stock in that bank then of course they will then have a loss but for every day Americans be drawn into that mess than i say no.
As for my friend who has the debt ,she took too many vacations ,gambled too much and no you shouldn’t have to help her either.
As for Iraq , I don’t think anyone wants to pay for that war but your government went in there ,spent the money and cant go back now.Who should pay for it if not the American Government which trickles down to the American People?Some people think Iraq should pay for it or at least rebuild their own countryNobody is accusing americans of being lazy ,just look at this forum ,most americans here work 10-16 hour days.@casinobonusguy 175084 wrote:
All these mortgages failing has mostly to do with people overextending themselves and not planning for rainy days.
It was clearly the banks, here’s why.
A seasoned computer software programmer can look at a chunk of code written by a novice and either debug it quickly or write it more efficiently. In another example drive a noisy a to mechanic and they have a generally idea where the problem might be.
When a mortage broker examines financial data they can tell right off the bat what the person can and cannot afford.
You proved it yourself in this statement.
I bought a $190,000 townhouse although my bank told me i can buy up to $347,000. If i go back to making $14 dollars an hour i can still afford it.
Perhaps in your case this may be true but generally:
A 347k mortage even at 5% for 30 years is about 1862.77 a month.
That would pretty hard to meet on $14 an hour and I doubt many would even qualify.
