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because he can relate to the people and not someone so rich that they can’t keep track of how many friggen houses they own! :sarcasm:
So someone that works real hard all their life to get rich and own several houses is now a bad guy? I thought that was the American dream. I own 2 houses and over 100 acres in 2 countries and I’m a swell guy!
OBAMA all the way!!!! It is time for a change, I have never gone the Dem side before but times change and the country was not in this bad a shape when Clinton was in office, the tax thing does not scare me either just think of all the money we could make to pay off the taxes.
@ssd 174466 wrote:
So someone that works real hard all their life to get rich and own several houses is now a bad guy? I thought that was the American dream. I own 2 houses and over 100 acres in 2 countries and I’m a swell guy!
Yes that sounds like the American dream. But somebody who’s a kept husband and had his career laid out for him by his priviliged admiral daddy doesn’t really fit the hard working cliché all that well. The reason he can’t keep count is because he never personally paid for any of these houses. His wife bought all of those.
The real reason McCain picked Palin to be his running mate:
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@ssd 174465 wrote:
I lived in Canada for years. I tried to get a hernia operation because my intestines were sticking out above my belly button. Sorry, non emergency and I went on a 3 year waiting list. My neighbor with severe back pain, 3 year waiting list. He did finally get the surgery and it was good. I flew to California and had surgery the next day and was back home in Canada 2 days later. So no, I wouldn’t exactly call Canada’s medical third world, but its not something I would want for my family.
I can tell how I’d insure the 46 million Americans. I’d set up a charity that buys insurance, only insurance. Donate to the charity and you deduct it from your taxes. Same as a charitable contribution is done now. Whether it could pull in enough to insure every one is open for debate, but that is one way to pay for it. Then the Bill O’Reillys would stop whinning about wealth redistribution which is his true agenda anyway.
I think a consumption tax has to be done with the utmost care or it would put a hardship on a certain demographic. Mainly the poor and the elderly.
When Republicans lower taxes significantly it grows the economy too fast, when the economy grows too fast you have, what? Oh yeah! inflation. Whom does inflation affect the most, oh yeah, the middle class, the elderly and the poor.
Wealthy people can easily absorb increases in inflation. Ironically, when the latter 3 classes stop spending the well off don’t become rich and the rich don’t get richer.
Inflation is the main reason why saving has become a thing of the past, too much of overall income goes to keeping up with it, slow growth, you slow inflation. Higher taxes means slower economic growth and low inflation, low inflation means more disposable income which could be saved, invested, played through my affiliate accounts
.The truth is there has been deliberate shift in the way the equity pie is shared. It started with the policies of Ronald Reagan. A current example of this thinking is Bill Gates wanting unlimited H1 Visas. He wants these to avoid paying decent wages as visitors on H1 visas more often than not have fewer options than their American counterpart.
@ssd 174466 wrote:
So someone that works real hard all their life to get rich and own several houses is now a bad guy?
Don’t put words in my mouth or try to twist what I said.
@Engineer 174472 wrote:
The real reason McCain picked Palen to be his running mate:
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ROTFLMAOO! Yea baby, let’s get it on! hehe
He had to look down and read a card with her information on it inorder to introduce Palin!
Voting Obama and praying sports betting is legitimized and regulated.
Then back to voting for fiscal conservatives/social moderates.Note that I said legitimized and not legalized since there is NO federal law that prohibits placing a wager in the United States as many politicians would like you to believe.
To the guy who wrote about capital gains taxes – you don’t pay capital gains taxes on selling your home if you roll it into your next residence! That note you wrote was totally misguided.
If you have the money to have multiple 500,000 homes to be selling and profiting from, clearly you should have to pay taxes on your income. I pay like 39% on mine. Maybe I should stop working and capitalize on other peoples misfortunes and buy their seized property for pennies on the dollar and then resell it later for a tax free profit.
You pay capital gains taxes when you are selling multiple houses and don’t live in them — for instance — if you are rich, like John McCain and have some 7 homes worth 11 million. Do you think he should be able to sell those homes and not pay taxes on the PROFITS???
Edited to add: Obama is getting our vote, and he’s not perfect either. But I’ll be damned if I’m gonna help McCain steal our country!
YES WE CAN!
@more4me 174406 wrote:
McCain had me until he picked his vp running mate.
Is all I needed to turn me off.
You gotta admit, she IS kinda hawt!
I like MY guns and I like MY money..
I hate socialism and whats new and changing in all this, Obama read off all bill clintons goals from 16 years ago, where did that get us lol.. Dont fall into the we will provide you with everything and your lifes will be better crap.. Stick with Capitolism.
@allfreechips 174508 wrote:
I like MY guns and I like MY money..
I hate socialism and whats new and changing in all this, Obama read off all bill clintons goals from 16 years ago, where did that get us lol.. Dont fall into the we will provide you with everything and your lifes will be better crap.. Stick with Capitolism.
Most of that sounds like GOP ideology. I find it best to keep an independent perspective and not fall into the ideology of either side.
The truth is each candidate is right on some issues and wrong on some issues. When it comes to oil Obama is correct it’s really time to move off it, unfortunately it has come along in our lifetime.
McCain is correct on earmarks and corruption, although earmarks are a small percentage of the budget its time to put an end to it once and for all.
On Health insurance they are both wrong, a huge program like Obama wants is just too expensive. McCain wants to leave it to the market, well that’s what we have now and its not working, insurance is skyrocketing. My plan from the earlier post is best.
When it comes to immigration they are both wrong. Secure the borders.
I never really bought into bush’s war on terror as he would never secure the borders. Seems to me that in war securing the parameter is the first thing you do.During that whole debate I always want to ask the politians “what would you do if I snuck into one of your $1,000 fund raiders for some free grub”?
Jobs, well the president can’t really create jobs although Obamas green plan is quite compelling and a strong a possibility, however a president can save jobs. The US trade policies are complete nonsense. I’ve always said if you don’t have manufacturing you don’t have anything.
The truth is Capitalism is great but it’s also the problem.
I hate socialism and whats new and changing in all this, Obama read off all bill clintons goals from 16 years ago, where did that get us lol.. Dont fall into the we will provide you with everything and your lifes will be better crap.. Stick with Capitolism.
Since you asked here is some of the things that electing Bill Clinton did for us:
(from wikipedia)
* Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.
* Creation of more than 22.5 million jobs—the most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.
* Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).
* Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics fell from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in 2000, also the lowest rate on record.
* Inflation dropped to its lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and fell from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.
* The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent near the end of the Clinton administration, the highest rate on record.
* The poverty rate also declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. This left 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.
* The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billion—the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.
* Clinton worked with the Republican-led Congress to enact welfare reform. As a result, welfare rolls dropped dramatically and were the lowest since 1969. Between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 million (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people.
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Edited to add: Clinton (and all presidents of course) had his faults, but I’d say the list above is pretty impressive.
Go check the economic growth, inflation, federal debt, etc. since eisenhower and you’ll see that every year with a democrat in the White House was better than either repubilcan that was president before and after.
Edited to say – The average growth, for each democratic term (2001-2008 for bush 2, 1993-2000 for clienton etc) is generally as good or better.
GDP numbers: xxxhttp://www.bea.gov/national/xls/gdpchg.xls
Budget Deficit Numbers:
xxxhttp://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=84&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Freq=Year&FirstYear=1947&LastYear=2008&3Place=N&AllYearsChk=YES&Update=Update&JavaBox=noInflation Numbers: [url]xxxhttp://www.minneapolisfed.org/Research/data/us/calc/hist1913.cfm[/url]
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There are 3, maybe 4 years of the last 50 (once for Carter, 2 or 3 times in 12 years for ReaganBush) where republicans “beat” the democratsabout 80% of US government debt has been run up with Reagan and Bush/Bush in the white house.
Keep Listening to Republican Lies! They said Bill Clinton’s tax increases would destroy the economy. Yep, best period of growth, inflation, deficit since WW2. Now the Republican lies campaign is coming up with ridiculous numbers claiming that Obama is going raise taxes and destroy the economy with “TAXES!!!!!!”
Well anyone can look up the facts and see that Republican borrow and spend has saddled each american with about $40,000.
So they cut the Tax rates from when Clinton was president, run up the debt, cut back on economic growth. Now they say, setting those numbers back to the old rates will make the economy worse!
These are the people who brought you whitewater (nothing there), Weapons of Mass Destruction, Our great Friendship with Vladimir Putin and the tapping of every telephone in the US, without a warrant.
Don’t listen to lies, look at the facts. Vote Democrat for a sound economy. Vote Republican for irresponsible governance and violation of personal privacy.
The last Republican that I would have voted for was Bill Milliken, but he retired in 1982, so i never had a chance to vote him. People like Chaffee and the senators from Maine seem pretty good, but then i wonder… “why be a Republican?”
I am Not american so I can’t vote.I think Barack/Hillary would have been a nice ticket .Let’s come back to this thread in 4 years and see who was right.My prediction is whoever wins will not solve the mess that Bush is leaving behind , USA needs to get over their obsession with the Oil in middle east .Iraq was all about oil not Terrorism and now they have stirred a real hornet’s nest of problems.
