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Google is suspicious of fast growth
Not if it’s a good quality content site I think.
jonitas wrote:Google is suspicious of fast growth
Not if it’s a good quality content site I think.
They will be suspicious if the links grow fast… we shuld/must do backlink strategy… this way we will keep our site away from the sandbox :cheers:
IMO google is suspicious of ANYTHING that grows too fast, pages, links, the whole thing.
This is a good idea, but not if everyone expects it to generate money very quickly.
Dominique wrote:IMO google is suspicious of ANYTHING that grows too fast, pages, links, the whole thing.@#$%#&## true
Dominique wrote:IMO google is suspicious of ANYTHING that grows too fast, pages, links, the whole thing.This is a good idea, but not if everyone expects it to generate money very quickly.
I agree, google doesn’t like an explosion of links – I have notice that just a few highly targeted relevent links outperform 100s or 1000s of unrelated links.
My suggestion would be to manage the links pointing at the site for a while – start with the highest PR, oldest casino domain pointing to the site first, then gradually add the next highest PR and next oldest casino domain. This will build the all important ‘trust rank and authority’ needed to be on the first page of the search engines.
I agree with the other post, this isn’t going to be an overnight success – but I can certainly see it appearing high in search engine within a year! if we can get a casino related domain from around 1997 – 1999 it will start to appear in SERPS faster – old domains rock in google.
I think more important is the pr (or value) of the sites linking in, not the generated clickthrough of them
in my ingorant opinion (SEO wise) … I’d guess that’s spot-on.
anyway …
Wow what a wonderful idea!
I’ve got about 15 or more sites I’d have no problems at all linking front page links to it since I am shit at SEO anyway but since the sites are all about 6+ yrs old … and last someone told me they did have some decent pr rank … I think they’d be of some help.
More to the point is that … and this is just from what little I have learned and may not be right but I think that the suggestions that this be an existing site already in google/yahoo or wherever is probably an excellent idea.
If its true that this will avoid any kind of sandboxing … then I think it stands to reason that it also will greatly take away any risk of the SEs freaking out that the site grows a little faster than others in terms of links coming into it since its entirely feasible (IMHO) that a site could get links coming into it sort of suddenly if its one that has already been existing … simply because … and again just MHO but that suppose there was some sort of content that the site in question had published … that other sites in that niche found to be important information … or what might even be better would be if it had some sort of video (because this is something that can’t easily be re-worded into info that can then be placed on the other sites linking in …. but rather is then viewed as …. well for instance like when someone posts a funny video in the free-for-all here at cap …. its just not something that other sites would be inclined to copy but rather just link to … like say the linking sites could post a link saying something like … check out the video on casinos at CAPsNewGroupEffort-casino.com – therefore getting frontpage links coming into it that (again MHO) a SE like Google wouldn’t see as being any kind of trick.
And if that idea bothers some …… because it might be a bad idea, I’m sure no expert … but we could try two of this idea. One which we could go ahead at a …… calculated risk speed (in terms of getting a bunch of of front page links coming in at nearly the same time) and one done the more cautious way that the experienced SEOers would likely be more comfortable with.
I mean on the one had you’re looking at … what? probably 4 month’s time minimum if not more before you reach the desired goal whereas the other could be making money in little time if it gets past the punishment risk factor.
Since all the work would be done to create a system that rotates .. I believe someone called them “slots” … well since all the work would be done to create this anyway … which in a sense is going to be the bulk of the work (again MHO) then there would be little lost to try this on a double level: one shot to get up and making money quickly and the other the more caustious/wise approach.
Not being any kind of SEOer … I may be way off base but I’d think if an existing domain thats already in the SEs … was to suddenly get such attention from other sites … that the SEs would perhaps bother to check out why the site had climbed so quickly in respect to incoming links before they just shit-canned it. … maybe not. But I think its worth the try since little would be lost other than a small amount of time it would take to implement the rotating “slots” thing … which like I said: is going to be developed for the cautious approach anyway so I don’t really see a lot of time lost in placing it on the “quick approach site”. In fact if nothing else … it would at least be a way of trying out the rotation on a real published site.
Now having said all that … I have quite a few domains that are basically just sitting around doing nothing these days … I mean sure they get a few loyal surfers returning but I’d be willing to risk the loss of that income for what might be gained … and they’ve all been published for over 6 years so they shouldn’t be viewed as being some sort of trick.
In any case the way I figure it … I’d have nothing to lose. They’re all in google/yahoo etc .. but none get any kind of rankings high enough on any keywords to be of any kind of loss to me if they were to get banned. Hell I get by on return visitors to those sites and in fact that’s the only reason I keep them published. The SEs could ban any one or all of ’em and I wouldn’t even know it happened –
.But I don’t think they’ve been banned or anything like that.
I’d also have no problem donating the domain to whatever all feel is a comfortable scenario in terms of ownership … and in fact, the hosting is even paid up for some period of time …… though I’d have to check on how long exactly ……. that all depending on which domain you all thought would be best to try this with.
So what I’m saying is … is that I don’t stand to lose anything more than a few loyal visitors to the site so no real skin off my nose ….. and I don’t see a downside for anyone else … if we were to try a quick approach since any work that’d be done … will have to be done to the site where a cautious and slow approach is taken.
who knows? maybe both will end up making money.
well anyway … I’d love to be involved in this endeavor. And I think I have enough sites with enough pr rank that I can be considered as a participant … but if anyone’s willing to take the risk of a “quick approach” … perhaps failing … then I’d be more than happy to participate on a more substantial grounds by donating the domain name and hosting … at least for as long as the hosting is currently paid up.
That way if it fails … well it was my dumb idea so nobody is out anything more than the little amount of time it takes for each individual to add a frontpage link going to the site … and the time it takes to implement the rotating “slot” or banners or whatever … which again I remind shouldn’t be much extra work since that is going to be needed to be created for the cautious/slow approach site … anyway.
1-casino-gambling-directory.com … I would think would be a great choice for such an attempt but I have others that have also been around for the 6 years or so length if that one doesn’t tickle the SEOer’s fancy.
ps: don’t worry about hurting my feelings about any of what I’ve written. I just threw it out because to me … it sounded like a reasonable idea. Mostly because I didn’t see a downside to it for the reasons already mentioned.
In any case I think the idea is grand and hope I can be involved in some way because i think its an idea that 1) from strictly a personal motive – can FINALLY get me a chance to get some free traffic … but even better 2) is an idea that can actually take back what the damn scraper scum have been stealing from us – yes even me … though I don’t rank for free traffic I have had my sites scraped and needless to say I don’t like it one bit that these scum are using my writing and my work to cheat the fair-minded people out of what they deserve.
It flat out pisses me off to no end to see a site ranked highly for … whatever keyword it is that they are getting traffic … and the scum are getting this traffic with my scraped pages … a most recent example which upsets me most is some pages my son had created and amazingly enough the lucky little shit actually got free traffic … for keywords like riverbelle casino … which converted very, very well.
That was a year or two ago now that i think of it. but anyway, when traffic started falling off I checked and saw that the sites that had replaced his ranking … were the very same damn pages … right down to the folders having his name (Lane) in them an example= mydomain.com/Lane/riverbellecasino.htm
One thing to steal from me but when they steal from my kid … whom I was trying to get involved in something more than video games … well that tears it!
I suspect the reason they edged our site out was I didn’t have enough linking stuff going on but that’s the point i’m making is that this idea would take all our concerted efforts and turn the tables on these scraper-scum that put out all those automated pages so quickly because they’re stealing our work … and take back at least a little bit of it.
…… sorry this was so long. As you can see I’m just a bit passionate
ps, I’d have no problem donating domains (+hosting as long as its paid up for already) for both approaches if you all would want them.
thank you for this post bb1,
and thanks for sharing all this thoughts with us
you know we started a forum here http://www.cas-ino.net/ ?
i like the idea of 2 sites
one fast risky one and another decent growing
we need to take care of duplicate content thoughand thanks for offering your domains/sites/hosting!
you have to consider what is fast growth, 30 inbound links in a week is not fast, 15000 in a month is…
as long as we keep links under 50 per month there will be 0 chance of a growth flag..
I was thinking that if someone has a good domain name that already ranks semi-well that we could all put our money in and purchase it. So maybe for a $2000 domain name we would have 20 people put in $100 (or however much the person would be willing to part with the domainf or)…This way everyone would own a part of the domain and we could get a domain name we can grow faster as it hopefully ranks alright in google. (just an idea)…. This would also help as it would keep more serious people in as they will have invested a small amount of money.
Good idea Kdollar
allfreechips wrote:you have to consider what is fast growth, 30 inbound links in a week is not fast, 15000 in a month is…as long as we keep links under 50 per month there will be 0 chance of a growth flag..
I was quite sure 2 of my pages got pinalized because of to quick linking in, and this were only like 6 a week.
But now you made me doubt…:tooconfusThe project is a good idea! I would join with my sites. I’ll be happy to help in any way.
Maybe we should start collecting information about those who want to participate and their sites so we have an idea about how many sites will be in a project. Make a database with some submission form to collect for example names of the webmasters and their sites and their pagerank etc. Or set up a topic at cas-ino.net forum where each member list his sites with basic information.
I can prepare some database and submission form if you want.
I’m in – aces4gambling.com, broadbandpoker.com
All sounds interesting.
Some thoughts:
1. Definitely buy a domain or use a donated one, with a website on it. Said website is more than just a page, and the cache is up to date. Website history goes back a year.
2. Using the number of links in and PR as a measure of contribution is flawed. There are many high PR sites out there that will transfer PR and that’s it. It’s all artificial. A formula need to be designed that calculates a factor, depending what is brought to the party. I can point you to loads of guys with big PR networks and all you get when they link to you is a bit of PR yourself. Not very useful IMHO.
An independent “committee”, voted by members, operating on a rotation window is set up. This committee runs the exposure schedule and vets new members.
3. There are basic criteria that determine mebership. Members have to comply with some basic criteria to gain access.
It’s a question of whether it is fair to allow someone in who has been doing this for a week, and has accidentally bought a pr4 website and domain…
My 2 cents…the admin could be a bit of a pain
Owldeath2 could you pls register at xxwww.cas-ino.net/index.php
Justred,
that sounds solid
we must try to keep the right balance between simple-effective-solid thougheveryone who wants to join, please register at xxxwww.cas-ino.net/index.php
(the27offsuit titus ??)
