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Using xoftspy standard version 4.22 definitions are current.
Scanning for
browser highjackers
registry
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system folders
selected folders
79530 System objects scanned 0 Processes Identified
0 Total definitions found 0 Registry keys Indenfied
36 Running Process 0 Registry Values Indentified
0 recognized Objects 0 Files Identified 0 Running Process 0 Folders IdentifiedSystem is clean!!
Vendor Type Category object Danger
System is clean. Link up down load 888.com by direct url. Play a few hands of poker, log off and rescan, the results.
Scanning forbrowser highjackers
registry
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selected folders85058 System objects scanned 0 Processes Identified
2256 Total definitions found 2 Registry keys Indenfied
37 Running Process 0 Registry Values Indentified
2256 recognized Objects 2160 Files Identified
0 Running Process 93 Folders Identified
Vendor Type Category object Danger
CasinoONNet file Adware 93 High riskVendor: CasinoOnNet
Category: Adware
Danger level: High RiskAbout CasinoOnNet: This application is Adware and may display pop-up or pop-under ads as well as directing your browser to unsolicited websites. Upon visiting http://www.casinoonnet.com or http://www.casino-on-net.com, dialogue boxes will prompt you to download their software every time you load or reload a page on their website. The software will display ads and may send logs of your computer and Internet use to a remote server.
System danger!!
Note the files indentified as having adware jumped from 0 to 2160. Folders Indentified as high risk went from 0 to 93!! Most players do not realize the potential problems with adware. I did compare my results with other programs but didn’t even come close to these results. Keep in mind 888.com bares the Ecogra seal.
More is on the way, just formatting it. greek39No surprise here, many of us have known abotut 888s use of malware for years! According to Benjamin Edelman, a notable individual in that industry, Casino on Net is known as being one of the biggest users of it.
Not sure if you were aware of this, but a while back eCOGRA put out a public statement about gambling federation which was not even on their approved site list chewing them out for using malware. There is a history of double standards.
Also Im not saying this is the case, but it has been known to happen that some adware type programs will produce a false positive. Knowing the history, I would expect that chance to be minimal in this case.
From the letter written by Nicolas Lev and I quote “we have set an example and operate according to ethical principles which are second to none. This is why we particpated in the bold move of setting up E-cogra”
So what is E-cogra? but before I do perhaps it is beneficial to discuss some of the disturbing attributes of adware.
Adware comes in many different forms some honest some not. Dishonest adware basically come in two malcious forms spyware and malware both are a form of adware.
Spyware – is a type of malcious software who’s function is to take partial contol over a computer without informed consent of the computer operator. A program designed to watch over the user collecting data and sending it to the program that had created it. All sorts of data can be collected by such programs. For instance the more malcious versions can actually record what you type on your keyboard, some may give the user popup adds ect…
To conclude spyware is basically designed for commercial gain through these processes.
Malware – Won’t bother covering this topic but is more exteme than the first.
888.com bares the ecogra seal. To keep things short as possible online casino’s and poker rooms that carry this seal, according to ecogra is to “create a safe and fun online gaming experience” I fail to see how its’s safe to play at 888.comOf course we as webmasters know all about this stuff, but your average player would likely not. This I find disturbing, the fact ecogra turns a blind eye to these facts is absurd.
Now I will go fetch some of real dirt. greek39As Nicholas had stated so proudly “The 888.com (“888″) brand is one of the most respected gaming brands in the world today and represents one of our most valuable assets. We are committed to nurturing and growing it by utilizing only best industry practices in all of our marketing activities. This approach is part and parcel of our general approach to doing business. We believe that as a gaming company especially one operating in the unregulated realms of the World Wide Web and as an industry leader we have to set an example and operate according to ethical principles which are second to none. This is why we participated in the bold move of setting up E-cogra and this is why we will be happy to challenge any complaint directed at us on any aspect of our operation”
False “unregulated realms of the World Wide Web” the world wide web does have regulations perhaps you are thinking of the internet. If it wasn’t unregulated you wouldn’t be able to “libel”.
False ” we have to set an example and operate according to ethical principles which are second to none”.
I hope so “we will be happy to challenge any complaint directed at us on any aspect of our operation”. When?
I believe ecogra has some real creditability issues. Adware has a nasty reputation for all sorts of things. Its’ quite apparent 888.com software is loaded with adware. My neighbor will be sending his complaint to ecogra first thing in the morning, looking for that speedy resolution.
Now I will focus on the problem and hope for the best. greek39
Greek.
It has been made abundantly clear to eCOGRA & supporters about spyware etc.It is a complicated issue granted.
888 have been taking liberties for a long time – it’s called “aggressive” marketing apparently. It was only a matter of time that affs were going to get upset.
Not before time. Good for you.
axl wrote:You can spin it anyway you like, eCOGRAs listing of reputable portals is IMO, yes its an opinion, is promotionally motivated.Hell, ecogra even host promotional content for its listed portals !!!
http://www.ecogra.com/promo/oggs/webzcas, whether or not you are proud to be listed there does not change their primary goal (IMO) of having you list them.
Sorry but just to clear something up as I’ve been dragged into this (someone also copied and pasted this thread at WOL):
http://mb.winneronline.com/showthread.html?p=123080#post123080
I agree and perhaps this is what wanted to draw attention to. The 888 thing blows my mind so does everything connected to it. Just one out of many I decided to bring up, adware. I did not bother taking a look at the ecogra site there was no need to. Fact is 888 uses adware as a maketing tool and ecogra sits idly buy is all I need to know.
Adware has the potential of swiping personal logins and passwords. I have heard many complaints from members “my neteller account has been broken into”, “I am missing 5000” “someone login in to my root directory” ect… It certainly speaks volumes to me. I will be examining 888.com software for such malicious attributes.
For those who have cozy realtionships with ecogra, this should cast some doubt onto the integrity of that oraganization. I am glad I have never formed any alliances.
greek39
This has been brewing for years, but the double standards shown to 888 / jackpot factory blew it all up.
MARCH 2005 wrote:UK — (PRESS RELEASE) — Andrew Beveridge, Chief Executive of the international regulatory body eCOGRA spoke out today on the recent discovery that the Gambling Federation Group software download had for some months included a covert element of malicious software (malware) designed to block users from the sites of competitors.“eCOGRA believes it is the responsibility of every organisation that represents the interests of the online gaming industry and its players to send a strong signal that the use of this sort of tactic is unethical, dishonest and totally unacceptable to any responsible business.” he said.
Oh really what about 888?
“Including malware in a download to a player’s computer without his knowledge goes far beyond the routine inclusion of harmless advertisement tracking or log on recognition “cookies” and must be discouraged in the strongest possible terms in both the interests of the players and the poor perceptions of the industry that it creates.
Oh really what about 888?
“Trade organisations have been rightly criticised by the player community for their lack of action resulting from the GFED debacle. At eCOGRA, we’re already vigilant in ensuring that this sort of practice does not happen at any of our sealed casinos”.
Oh really what about 888?
Beveridge emphasised that in the case of an eCOGRA Seal casino, there is little likelihood of this kind of situation arising due to enforced policies on management and financial probity verification, in-depth inspection of all operational aspects of an applicant, subsequent ongoing monitoring and review and detailed and specific regulations with which eCOGRA Seal casinos are required to comply.
Oh really what about 888?
“In the event that an operator is found to be in contravention of any of the eGAP requirements, this is reported to the compliance committee.” Beveridge revealed. “If there are no relevant mitigating circumstances, the committee should not hesitate to withdraw the Seal. eCOGRA’s structure, staffing and policies and procedures has been very carefully constituted to provide for effective self-regulation. Any member or approved operator that does not comply with the organisation’s detailed standards effectively undermines the core values and purpose of the initiative, and simply cannot be tolerated,” he said.
Oh really what about 888?
“It is to be regretted that silence and apparent lack of action from industry representative bodies on this issue could result in all being labelled as ineffectual by both outsiders and the playing community. If industry codes and rules already in place are not enforced and supported, it seriously damages the credibility of the organisations concerned,” he concluded.
So back in early 2005 eCOGRA took the opportunity to slam a casino which was not in their corral for their use of malware. At that time 888 was one of the biggest users of malware advertising, yet ecogra ignored it.
Then at the end of that year affiliate bodys started complaining about spam, scraping, blog spamming, and more malware. eCOGRA ignored the complaints as did 888; most likely thinking the issue would slowly fade away like many others. They totally under estimated some people and now they are paying for it.
You just have to love that final paragraph of Andrews!
“It is to be regretted that silence and apparent lack of action from industry representative bodies on this issue could result in all being labelled as ineffectual by both outsiders and the playing community. If industry codes and rules already in place are not enforced and supported, it seriously damages the credibility of the organisations concerned,” he concluded. “
This is exactly what eCOGRA has done with regards to 888 for years! Its sad that it took affiliates complaining and taking action to get them into gear. IMO eCOGRA based on their own reasoning has ZERO credibility.
From the outside eCogra takes on the appearence of a glossy magazine. However, open the cover and dig through the articles and you soon realise it’s nothing more than a sleazy tabloid.
imo
One question then I am staying out of this discussion….
How does constantly trashing eCogra improve things for affiliates? I see it happening here and at WOL. I even see affiliates turning on other affiliates (our friends and peers) over this because they have a link exchange with eCogra. What is the point of all this venom?
Ok I understand the injustice of Jackpot Factory being condemned for unethtical SEO practices while 888 was not. And I agree with that point, it wasnt/isnt right. But beyond that I generally think eCogra has little if anything to do with affiliates other then occasionally helping one of our players at the casinos they represent. Do they represent ALL casinos, No? Do YOU promote all casinos? I know I dont. Why all the hatred and attacks?
If the eCogra seal makes even ONE of YOUR players feel more comfortable about playing at one of the microgaming casinos they work with then isnt that a good thing?
I just dont get it. There are so many legitimate things to get worked up into a lather over, but I have never seen so much catterwalling over something that is basically not effecting anyone.
What got into everyone on this subject? Do you guys think ANYTHING is 100%or perfect in this world? If only 50% of what eCogra does is good isn’t that better then 0%
Like I said I just dont get it…
You are welcome to continue to discuss this, its in the free for all area, but as an observer thats the question that keeps crossing my mind.
eCOGRA never dealt with all the irresponsible casino behaviour. Maybe they could have told 888 to behave 4 years ago.
The half full or half empty question is always there Prof.
I personally say half empty. Hence I will not give up pushing for eCOGRA to draw themselves and their casinos into line just yet.
They offer what is wanted, but they do not give it all. It does wind people up quite alot Prof.
Professor wrote:One question then I am staying out of this discussion….How does constantly trashing eCogra improve things for affiliates? I see it happening here and at WOL. I even see affiliates turning on other affiliates (our friends and peers) over this because they have a link exchange with eCogra. What is the point of all this venom?
Ok I understand the injustice of Jackpot Factory being condemned for unethtical SEO practices while 888 was not. And I agree with that point, it wasnt/isnt right. But beyond that I generally think eCogra has little if anything to do with affiliates other then occasionally helping one of our players at the casinos they represent. Do they represent ALL casinos, No? Do YOU promote all casinos? I know I dont. Why all the hatred and attacks?
If the eCogra seal makes even ONE of YOUR players feel more comfortable about playing at one of the microgaming casinos they work with then isnt that a good thing?
I just dont get it. There are so many legitimate things to get worked up into a lather over, but I have never seen so much catterwalling over something that is basically not effecting anyone.
What got into everyone on this subject? Do you guys think ANYTHING is 100%or perfect in this world? If only 50% of what eCogra does is good isn’t that better then 0%
Like I said I just dont get it…
You are welcome to continue to discuss this, its in the free for all area, but as an observer thats the question that keeps crossing my mind.
My sentiments exactly.
Such a waste of time, and throwing away of comradery and good will among peers over a place that has nothing to do with affiliates and occasionally helps some players.
ok,
i admit i am a noob,from my noobs,s point of view
after reading this thread
for what i feelEcogra=888
It’s what eCogra represents that’s got my goat up.
That and how I’m sick to the back teeth of hear stuff like “Oh eCogra is so great”. eCogra divides affiliates. Affiliates don’t.
Lou, you’ve read my mind.
After getting involved in this discussion I started thinking about the whole thing. eCOGRA has nothing to do with affiliates. As far as affiliates go, eCOGRA is neutral, except to hear us out about problems our players are having. The only direct way eCOGRA affects us is that it inspires confidence among players and provides an outlet should players encounter any problems.
Overall, I believe eCOGRA is an asset to this industry. In fact, I use eCOGRA on my one of my websites as an endorsement for some of the casinos I promote. Up until now, I had no reason to doubt their integrity, and I’m sure that they do have integrity as far as approving casinos goes, with the possible exception of 888.com.
The only problem affiliates have with eCOGRA is the possibility that 888.com is not getting the same treatment as the other casinos.
