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Webzcas if you cn’t handle Axl’s post better remove mine as well. The temperature is going to be increasing. greek39
damiandunlap wrote:Now you want to ignore the truth. Webcaz?Well apparently according to AXL, as my site is listed on the ecogra site, I must be doing seo and other promotional work for them. What a joke!
Not ignoring the truth Damian, just skipping the BS.
What truth, Damian?
I am surprised though at eCOGRA hosting an oggs page.
While I am proud to be picked as a reputable protal (which is what I have tried for over 5 years to build) their hosting promos by portals kind of detracts from that.
WOW someone presents an OPINION that you do not agree with so you shut them out? Sounds like youve been spending too much time on that other forum!
I NEVER said you were doing SEO work for eCOGRA, NEVER! You need to go reread it if you think thats what I said!
I DID say or imply that eCOGRA was using the link exchanges as a means of SEO and self promotion.
All right —
I didn’t really want to talk about eCogra’s “approved portals.” I am more concerned with talking about eCogra’s relationship with 888.
Can we please get back to that topic? :satisfied
I don’t link to eCOGRA.
I do however have a site about eCOGRA and have had it for a very long time, much longer than I have been listed there, which is a recent addition.
So the SEO theory doesn’t hold.
Additionally, if eCOGRA wanted to exchange links with portals, they’d likely stand in line.
Someone contacted me and implied that since I am a moderator I can’t express myself freely here.
That’ll be the day!
Engineer wrote:All right —I didn’t really want to talk about eCogra’s “approved portals.” I am more concerned with talking about eCogra’s relationship with 888.
Can we please get back to that topic? :satisfied
Okay, I agree wait for my post in regards to 888 and ecogra and go from there. I’m going for a nap. greek39
Dominique wrote:So the SEO theory doesn’t hold.I mentioned SEO in the same breath as self promotion, I wasnt presenting an optimization theory, but my opinion that the listings were promotionally motivated.
Damian, ecogra claims to represent players not affiliates. Based on that claim they have remarked the 888 issue is an affiliate issue and thats why they have not addressed it. That’s basically why I presented the contradictory connection of ecogra to affiliates and portals.
IMO the 888 issue clearly falls under eCOGRAS standards for responsible operator behavior.
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Webzcas wrote:Actually this is not fact and is untrue. Unless you have FACTUAL information which you are privy to, if so please share.I think that his opinion is based on an confusing eCOGRA website.
The site states “eCOGRA’s constitution is structured such that the non-executive independent directors will always have control over board decisions, thereby guaranteeing eCOGRA’s autonomy from affiliated software providers and operators.”
http://www.ecogra.com/About.aspx?Page=2&OP=P
It then list members as such:
INDEPENDENT DIRECTORS
Michael Hirst
Bill Galston
Frank CataniaNON-EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS
John Anderson
Roger Raatgever
Karl MagnussonThe ecogra statement should have stated “eCOGRA’s constitution is structured such that the “independent directors” will always … ” but it states non-executive independant directors. Maybe thats the confusion there?
Guys this has the potential to be an interesting discussion, but it seems to stir up people to a great degree and will most likely be hard to keep on a civil track. Rather then close it I am going to move it to the free for all area.
BUT I am asking everyone to please keep this on track and dont make it into a war of personalities or flaming. If it gets too out of hand I will be forced to send this to the attic.
Understood Prof.
I hope the discussion continues; I don’t want this thread to be archived.axl wrote:IMO the 888 issue clearly falls under eCOGRAS standards for responsible operator behavior.I agree. The operators of Jackpot Factory allowed something awful to happen… so did the operators of 888.So… if eCOGRA is concerned about responsible operator behavior, isn’t the 888 issue something they would want to address? What am I missing?
Webzcas wrote:Quote:All non-executive independent Directors will always have control over board decisions.Actually this is not fact and is untrue. Unless you have FACTUAL information which you are privy to, if so please share.
Yah-but…that is what it says on the eCOGRA site, verbatum…
Quote:eCOGRA’s constitution is structured such that the non-executive independent directors will always have control over board decisions, thereby guaranteeing eCOGRA’s autonomy from affiliated software providers and operators.
http://www.ecogra.org/About.aspx?Page=2&OP=PYour credibility is slipping here.
What I would like addressed is why this man:
Quote:JOHN ANDERSON: John Anderson is the Chief Executive Officer of 888.com. Prior to joining 888.com, John was Chief Executive Officer of Burford Group plc and prior to that John spent 26 years at Ladbroke Group plc (Hilton plc) where he was a main board Director.is a “non-executive director” with “the independent standards authority of the online gaming industry”, and what effect this has on eCOGRA’s conduct.
I think we all would simply like to have this addressed. It has been requested ad nausium on the boards, but it has NOT been addressed.
At the very least, eCOGRA’s credibility is on cracked ice. How can you be an independent organization with that structure? I would sincerely like to know the answer, because I WANT to respect eCOGRA, but the above mentioned facts leave me wondering…
P.S. Before anybody attacks my post, realize that it is an honest question, using quotes from eCOGRA’s website itself, and I do believe I am writing about legitimate concerns.
non-executive independent directors
Who are:
Hirst
Galston
CataniaNot John Anderson, Raatgever and Magnusson which is who I assumed were being referred to.
So in other words, Andreson, Raatgever and Magnusson cannot overrule, Hirst, Galston and Catania.
eCOGRA’s constitution is structured such that the non-executive independent directors will always have control over board decisions, thereby guaranteeing eCOGRA’s autonomy from affiliated software providers and operators.
My credibility is fine thanks Fergie.
Webzcas wrote:Who are:Hirst
Galston
CataniaNot John Anderson, Raatgever and Magnusson which is who I assumed were being referred to.
So in other words, Andreson, Raatgever and Magnusson cannot overrule, Hirst, Galston and Catania.
My credibility is fine thanks Fergie.
John Anderson is an non-executive director.
Hirst, Galston and Catania are Independent directors.
The quote, “non-executive Independent directors” is off their site, where they state that “eCOGRA’s constitution is structured such that the non-executive independent directors will always have control over board decisions”.eCOGRA’s constitution is structured such that the non-executive independent directors will always have control over board decisions, thereby guaranteeing eCOGRA’s autonomy from affiliated software providers and operators.
There are no non-executive independant directors.
There is
# Independant Directors
Hirst, Galston, Catania
# Non Executive Directors
Anderson, Raatgaveer, MagnussonHirst, Galston & Catania get the final say.
