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Exactly! Kinda confusing, isnt’ it? :bored:
I outlined that website blunder a few post back; prolly missed it because I added it in after I had posted the initial reply. It is however a blunder and I believe what webzcas is stating to be the true intended structure. Hopefully thats not an intentional blunder or a play on words to fool us. :beatup:
That does not change the other discrepancies and obvious cherry-picking that is occurring. And since when did eCOGRA represent the online gambling industry?
I thought they only represented microgaming and cassava and were slowing adding in others. Until they start accepting disputes on behalf of each and every casino they can not claim that they truly represent the industry as a whole. Thats a major issue with me too, last year the majority of the disputes they recieved they turned away because they were not for MGS casinos.
joeyl wrote:Hirst, Galston & Catania get the final say.Thanks Joeyl.
Also from their site:
Through the structure of the Board of Directors. All decisions regarding how casinos are tested and who gets the Seals and what other software providers and casinos are admitted fall under the control of the three independent directors on the Board. This is clearly set out in the company’s constitution. These are all eminent and well-qualified and experienced professional men. Most important of all – they are all independent of the funding entities.
Thank you for pointing out that the quote on the eCOGRA website was an error overlooked by them.
I stand corrected!
Who has the final say isn’t the end-all of this issue.
Certainly the “non-executive” directors do have influence, and at least on of these men has a definitive conflict of interest.
Whether or not you have a link on their site, surely you can see the issue we have with this???
Is it possible that we have that addressed, at long last?
I stand corrected!
An apology would also be nice
Ok, cuz I like you, I am sorry. Your credibility is still good with me.
eCOGRA should fix that misquote!
Thanks
Likewise. Yes I agree they should fix that page.
1) If eCOGRA prove the games are fair.
2) If eCOGRA define bonus abuse and get the players paid out.
3) If eCOGRA eradicated unwanted spam.
4) If eCOGRA address the unwanted malware/scumware/spyware/adware issue.
5) If eCOGRA demand responsible operator conduct in all aspects.
The I’m in like Flint. Until then, it’s a PR exercise i’m afraid, to breed trust, to garner more business.
I have seen 2 mentions of how cool 888 and Micro are for starting eCOGRA by staff(888) and the PR firm chameleon(micro) in the past week.
Okay, now we know who has the final say. Thank you Webzcas and joeyl for clearing this up.
Fergie and Webzcas — glad you two made up. :kisser:
Now that we have established that 888 is not directly controlling eCOGRA, I must ask why Hirst, Galston, and Catania haven’t addressed the 888 issue? What is stopping them? With the amount of interest this has generated, it seems like they would want to look into it and make a statement.
I do think eCogra should comment on the 888 situation, yes. 888 is known to engage in unethical activities. Should a player trust an unethical casino? Shouldn’t eCogra be a little bit concerned about this?
Or perhaps the way it works, is that eCogra takes no action unless a player complains…. is that what happened with Jackpot Factory? Did a player complain, or did everything explode because *affiliates* noticed the sleazy pages all over the place?
Engineer wrote:Fergie and Webzcas — glad you two made up. :kisser:Yes, its good to see that we actually can have opposing views, or in this case misguided understandings and still be able to reach a resolution.
All the infighting, grudges, and bickering back and forth does little to further our collective cause. As was recently mentioned on another forum; this all comes back to affiliates presenting a stronger, united and therefore more influential front.
Now that were out of sight we most likely be out of mind and little will be discussed further, hopefully that wont be the case as this thread had the potential to be very educational.
As for a player complaining about Jackpot Factory, while I am not sure of what they would claim to be the timing of events, I thought it blew up on the forums casinomeister and winner online first.
axl wrote:Yes, its good to see that we actually can have opposing views, or in this case misguided understandings and still be able to reach a resolution.All the infighting, grudges, and bickering back and forth does little to further our collective cause. As was recently mentioned on another forum; this all comes back to affiliates presenting a stronger, united and therefore more influential front.
Hear, hear!
axl wrote:I thought it blew up on the forums casinomeister and winner online first.It definitely blew up over at CM’s, WOL I don’t go there so can’t comment.
The start of this was posted to CM’s by a player.
Once everyone got involved it kind of sky rocketed,(I too added my comments).
However, after the dust settle, it seems everyone was hell bent on kicking JF over and over. Which to be frank, under the circumstance was a bit much imo.
Anyway the eCogra supporter all gave out a cheer when JF’s seal was pulled. Add the peanut gallery rose to a standing ovation when eCogra announced it was going to do a full investigation of JF.
Any one who dared accuse eCogra of shielding 888 from the same fate as Jackpot Factory, was set on by the self serving “if only I could get another rep point crew”. I’ve got the scares to prove it.
Wager2winUK wrote:Any one who dared accuse eCogra of shielding 888 from the same fate as Jackpot Factory, was set on by the self serving “if only I could get another rep point crew”. I’ve got the scares to prove it.
I also have a problem with the rep points over there myself, particularly the “thank you” system. Seems to me that it chokes free speech and honest discussions. How does it inhibit free speech: I believe it sways the nature of the posts. Definitely there are people who will modify their posts in order to earn a “thank you”. It pretty much narrows the affiliate threads into what amount to rather juvenille and ‘cliquesque’ popularity contests, and I don’t think popularity contests have any place in frank business discussions.Results: People who have differing opinions are indirectly encouraged to remain quiet. People who don’t know what’s going on post anyway – on the popular side – to earn brownie points. Of course, some do post what they think – in length – if they agree with the majority.
Therefore, I don’t believe you get an accurate impression of how the majority of people are feeling.
The system may be fine and even add some fun for the player side of things, but it’s not neccessarily appropriate for business discussions.
That is why I prefer to discuss business here at CAP.
Fergie wrote:I also have a problem with the rep points over there myself, particularly the “thank you” system. Seems to me that it chokes free speech and honest discussions. How does it inhibit free speech: I believe it sways the nature of the posts. Definitely there are people who will modify their posts in order to earn a “thank you”. It pretty much narrows the affiliate threads into what amount to rather juvenille and ‘cliquesque’ popularity contests, and I don’t think popularity contests have any place in frank business discussions.Results: People who have differing opinions are indirectly encouraged to remain quiet. People who don’t know what’s going on post anyway – on the popular side – to earn brownie points. Of course, some do post what they think – in length – if they agree with the majority.
Therefore, I don’t believe you get an accurate impression of how the majority of people are feeling.
The system may be fine and even add some fun for the player side of things, but it’s not neccessarily appropriate for business discussions.
That is why I prefer to discuss business here at CAP.
Exactly. I don’t think this is being pedantic either. Most of what is discussed at forums like these is business related or @ least money orientated.
I’ve simply gauged my opinions on the number of posts that some people make. I’ve asked myself on many occasions, is X post useful or is it just hot air. 50% of the time it’s regurgitated dribble trying to gain “brownie points”.
Like you Fergie, I much prefer to discuss what affects me in this industry here. At time things can get heated, but, at least you know people here at CAP are being genuine.
