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Stupid wrote:I agree with LadyHoldem – nothing big had happened to blacklist a program…The SEO contest – I dont like it, but I am glad that CPAYS did not choose “onlie casinos” as the keyword (variation of it, but not the exact one).
And – what do you think the purpose of this SEO contest is, exactly? To recruit good BH affiliates! Go ahead and check the SERPS – I did a quick search on Google for ‘Online Casinos’ and the site xxhttp://casinogino.mabulle.com came up (once again). This site BEGAN by SPAMMING and CPays was a huge profitee of that campaign. That is just the beginning. You get the BHs into our industry, they take over with shitty content redirects and claim top spots in the SERPS
Also – I agree with CPAYS that it is better to work with a bad affiliate than just dump it – couse it will easily move to a different program and it will double the spam without any chance of recovery.
When you have worked hard to get an affiliate – it is just plain wrong to just dump it. And every time I see my content stollen by an afiliate of CPAYS – I contact my manager and within a day – my content is removed from that site. And I think this is great, because if this affiliate was part of a different aff program – I would have not had the chance to get this fixed.Seriously…. Are the CPays team now qualified psychologists that can reform individuals. C’mon. Take a guess as to what the reform rate (percentage) is for criminals? Well, these BHers are no different. Crime is crime.
Blacklisting the casinos because Bozo had stolen your content – I dont think so. Cpays draws a lot of affiliates (good and bad) because the casinos convert very well. And they do because people like them. And if people like them – it’s wrong to blacklist them for any personal reason – just stop advertising them if you dont like the program.
We are not blacklisting for personal reasons… Just trying to cleanup the industry a bit. I have not had my content stolen, yet I still applaud the efforts to clean up the crap out there.
The way I see it – this thread is full of personal grudges and has nothing to do with spam. Because 2-3 people who post very agressivly in this thread could easily be qualified as spammers, and I can post the backlinks of some of their websites and then – you will see real blog spammers
We all know you are a huge supporter of CPays and, I, expected to see you come in and bash the effort. You are as much biased as any of us are. :fencing:
Am I biased? – Of course I am. Every one of us have an opinion about CPAYS – nothing wrong in that.
Am I big supporter of CPAYS? – Of course I am. I have great relation with them I had never had with another program.
I dont htink any of this is bad, and sorry – didnt know that you have to hate CPAYS to post on this thread.
That is just the beginning. You get the BHs into our industry, they take over with shitty content redirects and claim top spots in the SERPS
So this is about you not being able to get a good spot on the SEs, because another website ranks better than you?
100% of the CAP aff programs have spammers under their hat, so what’s the difference?Seriously…. Are the CPays team now qualified psychologists that can reform individuals. C’mon. Take a guess as to what the reform rate (percentage) is for criminals? Well, these BHers are no different. Crime is crime.
Then I guess you should take off CPAYS from CAP, among with the rest of the aff programs – obviously there is nothing to be done. :dajudge:
It’s all my opinion. It’s all cool – every one could do whatever they want. I was reading this thread from the begining and I really had nothing to say untill the spammers came and start yelling “Spammers!”…
M.D. that is hillarious!!
Stupid wrote:Am I biased? – Of course I am. Every one of us have an opinion about CPAYS – nothing wrong in that.Am I big supporter of CPAYS? – Of course I am. I have great relation with them I had never had with another program.
I dont htink any of this is bad, and sorry – didnt know that you have to hate CPAYS to post on this thread.
No – I was not trying to say that you have to hate CPays to be here. I do not hate CPays whatsoever. I just want to help clean up the SERPS is all. Sorry about that confusion.
So this is about you not being able to get a good spot on the SEs, because another website ranks better than you?
100% of the CAP aff programs have spammers under their hat, so what’s the difference?Nope, not about me getting a good spot at all. I have good spots in the SERPS. This is more about the SERPS being full of SPAM. That’s all. Yes, all programs have a little SPAM out there. However, there is so much more CPays casinos being SPAMMED than any other right now (including 888).
Then I guess you should take off CPAYS from CAP, among with the rest of the aff programs – obviously there is nothing to be done. :dajudge:
I, personally, would not want this. I would just like the SERPS cleaned up a bit. I think CPays can be one of the best programs out there.
It’s all my opinion. It’s all cool – every one could do whatever they want. I was reading this thread from the begining and I really had nothing to say untill the spammers came and start yelling “Spammers!”…
I think I missed that part in your last post… If there are spammers yelling spammer, then that is obviously not what anyone wants. I haven’t searched everyone’s domains in this thread… But recognize all the names. I guess I’ll check that out.
Have a great day.
I dont think is our responsibility and even right to clean the SERPs – each search engine decides what’s good for them. If Google thinks that certain website is in violation with their T&C – they will remove it. If a website ranks good on Google, it does for the sole reason that Google thinks it should rank good.
I dont think it’s ANY aff program responsibility to clean search engines.
If you want to clean Google – you should buy some stocks of it and go to the anual shareholders meeting and voice your opinion.This thread was more about the stollen content from which I suffer, too. But I had nothing to say because CPAYS always come through for me when I find stollen content from my website on another aff website.
2. We do not believe that banning the affiliate will solve the spam issue. If we ban him he will still steal your content, but instead of putting our banners on his site he will put up banners of a spam supporting affiliate program and continue to receive commission for your work.
As has been mentioned previously, the little excerpt above illustrates how the grey cells are working at CPAYS. Take the money from spammers before anybody else does. That´s what it boils down to. This attitude is reflected by the spammed SERPS and it needs to be changed.
The route from blackhat to blacklisted will become ever shorter for programs wether they like it or not.
No problem. I understand your point. I just don’t happen to subscribe to it. I believe the SEO contest was an effort to recruit those SEO’s who spam the SEs. As a result of this, I believe it is CPays responsability to clean that up.
However – if I did not think that CPays actively recruited these spammers, then I would feel a bit differently. I would think that any time they received a spam notice – they would remove that active account and confiscate funds.
My opinion, take it for what it is worth.
You know the bottom line here is, we do not like spammers, blackhatters, failure to follow SE guidelines, content thieves, page hijackers, keyloggers, malcious hacks, dos attacks ect…
On the spammer issue there is lots of it. So much it will make you choke and gag. I like remaining reserved on most issues, don’t be blinded from the truth. I appreciate what cpays is trying to do, but the contest has set up a scenario of the very thing we hate around here.
Now what? cpays changes their terms of this contest, and the gang doing the spam are left out in the cold? I don’t think so, plan on being bombed over and over again. Plan on having the famous porn sites bowling your site and everything that goes along with it.
Cpays I hold accountable for creating such an atmosphere who’s only outcome is hostility. greek39
I dont know greek39,
as far as I know you are the owner of xhttp://www.onlinecasinoextra.com/ …kwblue wrote:I believe the SEO contest was an effort to recruit those SEO’s who spam the SEs.I disagree, I dont think the objective of the SEO contest was to recruit affiliates or SEO’s, the objective IMO was/is to flood the search engines with links to cpays clients; doing so gives them better odds at bringing in players.
It seems that they dont care about affiliates, but obviously they do care about players and are willing to bring them in any way they can. If they truly cared about their partners, they wouldnt permit any unethical activities in house.
At the end of the day saying they wont give cheaters a prize isnt going to eliminate the flood of links going to cpays clients. On the other hand if they were to say if you cheat your account will be closed and your profits ceased, that would go a long way to creating an ethical affiliate base; unfortunately for them it would eliminate a method for quick bulk “spammy” exposure AND that says a lot about them!
I think that, what some of these rogue affiliate programs are doing resembles the operation that is described here.
CPAYS will ask the spammer to remove the stolen content in 1 instance and then have him continue as before and will try and keep “the whitehat fools” (for the sake of keeping the spamhaus lingo) off their backs.
Stupid wrote:I dont know greek39,
as far as I know you are the owner of xhttp://www.onlinecasinoextra.com/ …Maybe I own this one xxwww.thegreek.com/ its a joke! greek39:laughcry:
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DomThe Feds would be knocking on them Greek doors :hehe:
Hello All,
I am sorry that my previous post caused such a tidal wave. That was neither its intention nor its meaning. I understand where your frustration is coming from regarding the spammers. But I think that if you will take things as they are instead of trying to look for ulterior motives you will se that we are not ignoring our terms and conditions and if needed they will be enforced.
Regarding the comment about helping an affiliate, you are missing the point entirely. There are many affiliates out there that scrape sites not for some deep ideological reasons as some of you put it here, but simply because they can’t write their own content. Some of them don’t know that if you copy someone else’s content you can harm yourself and the original website. And no, I’m not being naïve here; I personally know a few affiliates that used to steal content and we’ve offered to write content for them and now they’re totally legit. You need to understand that not everyone who has a potentially good domain actually knows what to do with it, not everyone is as Internet-savvy as you are. In the base of any affiliate program is a partnership, and you all seem to forget it. It’s not the affiliate program vs. the affiliates death match. There are things that need to be worked out and they will be, just like Dominique said “one step at a time is good”.
Helping an affiliate does not mean that we approve of spam techniques and it does not mean that we “embrace spam”. If the affiliate wants help, why not give it to him? We have a great support team here who are willing to assist affiliates in all their queries including the SEO ones. It’s probably a shameful thing to say in this altruistic thread, but if the affiliate gets new content and receives a few SEO tips and his website is clean of any spam, it will probably strengthen the partnership, make the affiliate happy and the worst and utmost scary of all – make the affiliate program happy.
No, not everyone will be treated that way. Some accounts will be frozen, and other measures will be taken if needed. You all just need to give this a chance, and give us some time to start implementing our policies before you criticize them. This whole thing started because of the SEO competition which is now officially Google friendly, yet some of you continue to discuss its faults. Dominique, who started the post about the competition, is content with the change. You’re already deep inside the blacklist procedure, so you have nothing to loose by sitting back and letting us prove ourselves.
I guess this post is long enough for now, so I will wish you all a great day! :hattip:
Sincerely yours,
Ora
ora at cpays.com
http://www.cpays.com:capmiami:
Excellent post Ora.
The only problem I have at all is with the big time spammers (such as the one with the xxx.mabulla.com domain). This is a real spammer that has a CPays affiliate account. Not a newbie, nor someone with no html skills. Shouldn’t that affiliate have their account closed?
Can you comment on that? I would really like to know what will happen to those affiliates who are spamming because it is a way of life for them. These are the individuals that we typically find. The ‘newbie’ who is spamming because they don’t know what else to do is NOT who we are finding.
Otherwise, you are doing a great job and most of us wish for you to continue your efforts to clean this up.
Thanks.
