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888 was a good target, because of Ecogra, who they fund. Get Ecogra to pull 888 into line and you have 80% of the online casinos traffic suppliers having to follow suit.
80% is worthy target percentagewise for CAP to join in on, or start, a fight regarding ethical behavour towards the players and affs.
Well I appreciated it, even if it helped caused more bad-feelings in the end, which my views usually don’t really help solve I gather.
Either way, happy returns Lou.
MD I am all for discussing and working out the issues that exist. That’s what CAP is about.
I agree that Blackhat SEO practices are abhorent and often illegal as was the case with content theft and the like that we saw at 888 (thats improved immensely now by the way). But I believe our best and probably only real solution is to work WITH the programs to stamp these things out.
I do see in several places within this thread where people have asked if we were revoking Casino Pays membership at CAP. I also saw the post by Ora where CP got the impression that we were discussing banning them and that this thread was a reflection of that. That is NOT true. We are confident that Casino Pays will work with us to resolve these concerns and I want us to steer communications and efforts towards that goal. Trashing their casinos and making players uncomfortable to play there helps no one and is not a good way to encourage cooperation….
M.D wrote:For months webmasters here at CAP complain about CpaysThats everything in a nutshell; I mean really, how much can you take before you say enough is enough?
I myself went to Dom a few months ago in a private email about her advice on what to do because we were scraped by an affiliate of cpays, she suggested I email the program and ask for help, I did with no response. I stand behind the links and blacklist, if Cpays makes an effort to fix these things then I am more then willing to promote the casino again.
I stand behind everything I say about CPays, every time I look for any major gambling term you see these bogus scrapper sites and guess what 90% of them I see are promoting CPays. I would like to know why I see only CPays sites being advertised on these scrapper sites. Maybe because CPays doesn’t care? I have watched DOM very kindly bring these issues up with CPays but I never see anything done about it and if I were in her position I would do the same thing. These issues have been brought up for months and CPays can’t even respond half the time. I mean how hard is it to stop these spammers when every honest affiliate reports there content being stolen? I mean the conversation should somewhat like this:
Hi Cpays, I have found my content being stolen by this site http://www.yzxkjsd.com his aff ID:2342 please shut him down. It should be end of story, but it isn’t at CPays.
How hard is that honestly? I do not understand why there is such a big problem doing this? There really is not an excuse available, also look at there silly SEO contest just look at the sites they let win, all Black hatters this speaks volumes in my book. They blatantly promote SPAM I don’t see how you could interpret that any other way?
Hello all,
As promised here are the main decisions of today’s meeting:
1. The SEO contest rules will be adjusted to match CPays anti-spam policy. I will post an update in the relevant thread as soon as it’s done. We are aware of the urgency here and are giving it top priority.
2. We’ve decided on opening a direct communication channel for spam issues – starting tomorrow you can send all your spam inquiries directly to [email protected] .
3. During our discussion arose the question of providing original content for affiliates who wish to practice clean SEO. We are aware of our responsibility as leaders of the industry, and we are looking for a solution to this point as well. I will update you as soon as I have more news on this subject.I will post further updates as soon as the changes take place. I wish to thank you all for all the feedbacks you’ve provided in this thread and the entire CPays forum. As I’ve said before, your comments do not go unnoticed, and are really appreciated.
Sincerely Yours,
Ora
ora at cpays.com
http://www.cpays.com:capmiami:
Good work. I am looking forward to progress on this issue. I reserve judgement until the SERPS have been cleaned up sufficiently and the SEO contest winners are judged based upon clean SEO tactics and original content.
Thank You for your help in this matter.
Last post for a while, this remote access is too scary. The retribution has begun sites are being scraped and bowled in massive quantities. Check backlinks/similiar pages Change logins and deny ips after a pc clean. Should be back on the 30th, my findings will be seen at the cac. greek39^*
Subdomain, ppc, and accessing site files is the latest game. Sorry I won’t be at a location where I can respond for at least two more weeks.
Thanks for the info, Ora.
I have a few questions if you don’t mind.
1. What happens when we submit a spam report to [email protected]? What sort of action can we expect?
2. When you find the guilty affiliate, what happens to him? Do you tell him to remove “only” the pages that have been turned in, or do you permanently ban him from the Cpays affiliate program?
If I may make a suggestion — I think the best way to help solve the spam problem, is to ban the offending affiliate permanently. These “black hat” webmasters will remove the pages you ask them to, but while they are doing that, they are running programs in the background that can crank out thousands of new pages… faster than we can report them to you. This is the type of thing that we want to see stopped. Please don’t reward this behavior by paying affiliates that do things like this. Please close their accounts — locate and close *all* of their accounts (black hatters often have multiple accounts), and kick them out forever.
I can almost guarantee, if you do this, if you get rid of the unethical webmasters promoting your brands, more “white hat” webmasters will be interested in doing business with you. And as we all know, having white hat webmasters on your side can be very profitable (or it can work the other way, too). :burnafatt
Waffle. I know waffle when I see it.
I can’t argue with the “seo contest” with “google guidelines”, though it is still just a linkfest opportunity that should be dropped. Sadly, that’s the theme these “webmaster rogueings” have taken on. No more for me. I’ll do my own thing alone as before.
reportspam&cpays.com ?. This is what happens when 888 get to set the precedent unchallenged. Very important.
Getting involved with webmaster issues at a webmaster forum does not work for me I’m afraid. The way these firms deal with you guys in many instances, is probably worse than the player gets treated.
It has been an eye-opener.
Well, you see, the player is valuable while the affiliate is just the stupid gid who brings in the players. (cynicsm warning!)
Hi Engineer,
Your questions are always welcome, that’s what this forum is for. As to the answers:
Engineer wrote:1. What happens when we submit a spam report to [email protected]? What sort of action can we expect?2. When you find the guilty affiliate, what happens to him? Do you tell him to remove “only” the pages that have been turned in, or do you permanently ban him from the Cpays affiliate program?
1. We will investigate the case, examine all the data and then reach a conclusion (a bit “Sherlock-y” but we do not want to accuse anyone of anything before they’re proven guilty as charged). We will then contact the affiliate and ask him politely to remove the stolen content or take any other action that is relevant to the specific case. Paragraph 3.5 of our terms and conditions covers this issue, and in fact has been created following questions such as yours in this very forum. You can view the paragraph here: http://cpays.com/terms.php
2. We do not believe that banning the affiliate will solve the spam issue. If we ban him he will still steal your content, but instead of putting our banners on his site he will put up banners of a spam supporting affiliate program and continue to receive commission for your work. We believe that the online gambling industry should take responsibility and try to help those affiliates to realize their potential through white-hat SEO methods. This is the real challenge. Banning someone is a matter of seconds, helping someone to amend his ways takes time and perseverance. I believe that CPays as one of the industry leaders is ready to take that challenge and put in that extra time and set new industry standards.
I hope this answers your questions.
Best Regards,
Ora
ora at cpays.com
http://www.cpays.com:capmiami:
cpays wrote:2. We do not believe that banning the affiliate will solve the spam issue. If we ban him he will still steal your content, but instead of putting our banners on his site he will put up banners of a spam supporting affiliate program and continue to receive commission for your work.Why do you, cpays, care what another program is doing? Just work on getting your own program back on track; that involves not tolerating unethical activities. To claim that you dont want to close the accounts because the affiliate will just go to another program and do the same is no excuse. :fencing: That more or less says we have a policy but if you dont follow it, thats ok, you have nothing to worry about.
I totally agree with axl
and by the way:
Banning someone is a matter of seconds, helping someone to amend his ways takes time and perseverance.
how do you plan to get these little devils back on track?
Therapy by phone and email?Maybe their commission money should be used to sue the people who don’t want to stop after beiing banned. Or begin an organisation with other casino’s that does this. (protecting the affiliates for once) If one scraper gets a fine it’ll already have a big effect on the others I think.
I have barely seen the like of it.
The industry “leader”, cpays mentality will take the internet straight to hell in a handcart.
Everyone now knows the rules. Do anything anyone else does, until “they” stop. It is a self perpetuating vicious circle.
