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Professor wrote:Amen to that Fergie. This is the worst month (news wise) I have ever seen in all my years of affiliate marketing.
Each additional bit of bad news is like another brick thrown onto a load that is already too great to carry.
I am praying for some good news soon too.
Lou your prayers will be answered if you buy a landbased
casino ! … then you will soon be able to market to the
American online gamblers with uncle Sam’s blessing !
:highflyer
Professor wrote:Unfortunately Ben Franklin would have been shot by the ATF for being a domestic terrorist if he lived in our day and age.Absolutely … and if anyone talked about a “war of independance” …
Well …
:shooter:Taxes eh?
Can’t live with them …
Can’t govern without them …
:terms:Since my involvement as webmaster in the founding days of the GPWA way back in 2001 (and as such, involvement with many of the old timers here) one thing became pretty clear, pretty quick.
You can be tossed over pretty much without notice by a comunity that suffers PMT on a bi-weekly rather than monthly basis. Yet many members of that little group that got bitch slapped, rolled in the dirt and spat on or just plain bypassed the radar are here in this forum today.
You don’t have to be bum buddies, but this issue needs SOLIDARITY:
sol‧i‧dar‧i‧ty /ˌsɒlɪˈdærɪti/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[sol-i-dar-i-tee] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties.
1. union or fellowship arising from common responsibilities and interests, as between members of a group or between classes, peoples, etc.: to promote solidarity among union members.
2. community of feelings, purposes, etc.
3. community of responsibilities and interests.Bryan Bailey had a podcast going back in 2000 or so…long before the coining of the term. It should be called the baileycast. Bryan is a pioneer!
Lou here was probably the first webmaster to get a dedicated gambling webmaster resource site together. I refused to look at it for about six months. Then I had to. Awesome job Lou. I am still here.
J.Todd launched APCW among much backhand laughter in his early days and made it a success. He also launched these great videos opposing the ban, they made me ashamed of my own piss poor efforts.
Peralis a GPWA mate who went onto other things and never lost integrity yet sacrificed a lot trying to do the “right thing”, he’s still here and we haven’t talked in ages.
Dom and I share a love of animals, She came into the GPWA pretty close to my oustment from the establishment. We also haven’t talked in ages.
These people are my heroes of the gambling webmaster fraternity. Not because I agree with them at all times but because they have the courage to speak out and put balls to the wall.
Yeah, Dean, we have all been through the wringer over the years.
We’re a darn good group, and there are a lot more of us than you could mention above.
We’ve all in unison been the pillars of this industry in may ways, whether operators ever recognize that or not.
And whether we find the time to talk or not, we have had each other’s back all these years. I have always known that if in trouble, I could come to you and many of the other old timers, and vice versa.
When it comes down to it, we stick together.
We have fought a lot of battles over the years keeping the affiliate business on the straight and narrow. We have really been a good example of self regulation, we have been outing rogues (more or less successfully over the years) amongst ourselves, like way back at GPWA the cookiemonster and the hijacker, and later scumware (mostly gone now) and blackhatters and others in between. We have achieved positive changes with the programs, like treating our contracts with them with respect. We have not always agreed on what to think of a new phenomenon, but when it comes down to it, we have always stuck together.
We always welcomed newcomers with open arms and many have become oldtimers themselves by now. It’s a great community.
What makes it twice as impressive is the diversity, completely different backgrounds, nationalities, ages and business models that have found a comfortable home in this community.
We all rock, and we have created a business athmosphere of comeradery that is unequalled in most other industries.
On that note, let’s take the bull by the horns, each in their own unique way as always, and respect each others decisions. Let’s discuss what we decide to do and why, and help each other find our own ways to deal with stuff.
CAP rocks!
:rockband:
:hattip: :inlove: :highflyer
i’m suprised that the 85% of the US population who supports gambling is just going to let this bill live. The government tried to ban alcohol back in the 20s, no one was going to do it and that gave birth to the biggest crime organization in the world with Al Capone. This is just going to do the same thing and there will most likly be huge gangs and criminal organizations forming because of it.
That’s a bit of a stretch. The reason there is limited outcry is because it’s not actually gambing that 85% support, but the right to do what they want with their own money.
Ask any non-gambler (which is 85% of the population, at least) if they think people should be able to gamble with their own money and they’ll say “sure”, ask them if they care if online gambling is banned and they’ll say “not really”.
I would imagine if they banned all 28 states that offer some form of gambling then you’d see the protesting.
Unfortunately, the number affected is just not as large as there was with prohibition.
aleph wrote:Lou your prayers will be answered if you buy a landbasedcasino ! … then you will soon be able to market to the
American online gamblers with uncle Sam’s blessing !
:highflyer
Lou, if you buy a casino, I’ll come visit
Ted I will have your suite ready and waiting
Actually after the current broadside on my business I dont think I will be patronizing the land based gang as much as I used to. Hell I used to “donate” at least $30K a year to their coffers, I know to them that isn’t much but I am going to keep it from now on.
That’s right professor I hope Vegas gets less visits from people due to this!
I don’t understand where all this “community strength” talk comes from, all I see is people rolling over on this issue.
Not ALL of us are rolling over.
CAP is still standing by US Affiliates and US Players.
Most of the Microgaming operators are still standing by US players in the states where online gambling isnt specifically prohibited.
The RTG Operators are still standing.
Many poker rooms and Bingo Operators have decided they wont cut and run either.
Are some people in the online gambling community taking the path of least resistance? Yes, thats to be expected. Most however are being forced to do things they wouldn’t do under better circumstance. Many are leaving the US under the advice of legal counsel or under duress due to their banking partners, payment processors or software provider making a corporate decision over which they have no control.
Its not an easy situation for any of us, but in the end adversity builds strength. I believe those that adapt and overcome will come out of all this better for the struggle.
One thing that is critical : ALWAYS REMEMBER TO SUPPORT THOSE THAT STOOD BY US PLAYERS AND AFFILIATES.
Many US gamblers are going to get shafted, many – I hope i’m wrong. The real scum will open clip-joint after clip-joint via 2 bob skins by folk that can’t be traced. They will take the Americans money and not pay the winners.
Ladbrokes are going after the Dutch on the grounds of protectionism.
The carve-outs are entirely the same imo. I can argue it anyway, for what it’s worth. Of course, the US are not in the EU, so no route is obviously available, as per Ladbrokes case.
The Americans have proven they’ll not adhere to the WTO unless it suits, so that’s that done for. They’ll not listen to the UN unless it suits, they’ll legalise their own moves within their own law regardless. Then they’ll go moaning to the UN about other firms ignoring the UN like the Iranians, the N.Koreans, the Sudanese and so on.
It’s like trying to talk sense into a 7 foot spotty first grader who’s parents fund the school.
# I am gladdened to see some Americans like the Prof stand firm.
# I am unmoved by the likes of the Meister pulling the plug.
# I am unsurprised by the cherrypicking by Micro/Ecogra et al.If I could support the fighters I will, but I don’t know how to. I only really deal with Ladbrokes, only really signup Brits, am in England, am getting out of the online gambling game, have no funds to use, do not get coverage regardless what truth’s I tell, usually get shot down for doing so.
If anyone has any ideas do say. Am game to add to any noise or schemes.
Professor wrote:One thing that is critical : ALWAYS REMEMBER TO SUPPORT THOSE THAT STOOD BY US PLAYERS AND AFFILIATES.I do not know if you are completely being fair to the ones who did bail. They did not bail because they are anti-American, they bailed because they had no choice. Only a company who had no choice would bail out of the American market.
So I would suggest everyone take that into consideration and also remember that it was Bill Frist, Goodlatte, Leach, Kyle, and several others who made this happen.
Everybody has their own agenda. There are interests here that want US affiliates to continue to send them US traffic. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if some are weighing in with the bailing argument – all the while they are sitting on some island somewhere.
This scenario – live in the US (or at least regularly visit here), operate your site(s) from here, continue to promote/accept US players, and accept revenue share money into your bank account is definitely a problem now. I would like to see a raising of hands for whoever is left continuing ‘business as usual’ with these particular factors involved.
Acesup in the same post I stated:
Quote:Many are leaving the US under the advice of legal counsel or under duress due to their banking partners, payment processors or software provider making a corporate decision over which they have no control.I believe the most fair thing to do is to SUPPORT THOSE WHO SUPPORT YOU. I stand by this statement.
Why would you support someone who doesn’t?
