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I hate to admit it because this is horrible news for affiliates and players in the states, but it makes perfect sense from someone who is actually attempting to be responsible.
From my point of view he is pointing the finger at ecogra and microgaming again as they are the bulk of sites which excluded a handful of US states while accepting bets from others.
Nevermind the fact that last week and for the many years previous they had no issue taking wagers from those states, but now with a federal law in place the casinos are looking to be responsible by obeying the state laws which they didnt care about before while disobeying the new federal law.
We are all toast; not because of his statements though, because of the failure of casinos and sportsbooks to adhere to our states laws in years past. If our government had seen the casinos acting responsibly from day 1 I dont think they would have been so motivated.
In a way that’s quite a sensible move to make as casinos that will continue on accepting US players are going to be a bit shady. All big operators with credibility have moved out of that market.
But then again, this doesn’t help those US players that want a good load of correct information on casinos that will continue to accept bets. There is definitely a BIG divide now both for casinos and affiliates… U.S. vs. The rest..
Quote:From my point of view he is pointing the finger at ecogra and microgaming again as they are the bulk of sites which excluded a handful of US states while accepting bets from others.Its more then a mere slap in the face to eCogra. It’s a right cross followed by a number of viscious knees to the Groin!
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Quote:In a way that’s quite a sensible move to make as casinos that will continue on accepting US players are going to be a bit shady.I completely disagree. I hold the Operators who support US Players Rights in the highest regards. The ones who are proving to be fair weather friends are the ones I would view as shady or unreliable.
I agree with the decision to withdraw from US states where online gambling is specifically outlawed for the residents, but the remaining states should NOT be penalized.
I don’t blame anyone for protecting their livlihood, but seeing the way everything is going down, I think many have given this bill bigger teeth than it really has. But I have not been privy to expert opinions, so I’m sure I am in the dark with alot of the information. And I can only take this shit in small doses now, my brain is fried from all these 20 hour days, so I’m not exactly on my game right now.
splinterfree wrote:In a way that’s quite a sensible move to make as casinos that will continue on accepting US players are going to be a bit shady. All big operators with credibility have moved out of that market.This is anything but true.
Microgaming Casinos have the best reputation on the web and most comply voluntarily with many checks and balances.
They are some of the safest places players could want.
However, you are right too in that I expect a lot of shady places moving into the sector. There will be an underground forming.
I completely disagree. I hold the Operators who support US Players Rights in the highest regards. The ones who are proving to be fair weather friends are the ones I would view as shady or unreliable.
I agree! I will be remembering the casinos that did stay with us in these tuff times and I will remember those that did not. I consider it lucky to have the 39 states to still promote, and also there is no casinos more trusting out there then Micros, how can someone just shun them so easy I have no idea.
I agree Lou. The law that is passed today, can be repealed tomorrow. I see Bryan’s stand as “grandstanding”, again trying to “police” the internet. It’s not for him, or the US Congress to take on that responsibility. As an expatriate american himself, I put him firmly into the Republican camp, as another one who wants to tell people what they should and should not do.:Pisser:
Quote:However, you are right too in that I expect a lot of shady places moving into the sector. There will be an underground forming.By dropping promotion of LEGITIMATE casinos which accept US players then this trend will only accelerate!
If you want to PUSH US Players to shady operators then this is the way to do it. 😡
Professor wrote:By dropping promotion of LEGITIMATE casinos which accept US players then this trend will only accelerate!If you want to PUSH US Players to shady operators then this is the way to do it. 😡
Exactly. The legitimate places need support or affiliates can pack it in and leave the US players to the vultures.
Quote:Exactly. The legitimate places need support or affiliates can pack it in and leave the US players to the vultures.BINGO
I thought a number of people took consolation in the fact that they only sold paid ads and felt they were safe since they werent actually participating in the win / loss of the player?
As I understood it, Casino Meister operated via paid placmenents and thus should have felt secure he couldnt be hit for “aiding and abetting”? Why the sudden about face?
Amateur wrote:I see Bryan’s stand as “grandstanding”, again trying to “police” the internet.Bryan has taken this action on advice from lawyers following meetings in Barcelona. It’s not a move he wanted to make, but he sees it as having little choice because of his high profile.
My take on Bryan’s decision is that it is a personal matter. He’s not only a webmaster, he’s a man with a family. He lives in Germany, but has family in the U.S. which I am sure he likes to visit once in a while. I think that he is doing what he feels he has to do in order to avoid being arrested under dubious circumstances when visiting the U.S.
It’s already been shown that U.S. authorities will make arrests on the flimsiest of charges.
Of course, I may be wrong, and it’s only a guess on my part.
The news that Casinomeister is dropping casinos who continue to serve U.S. players is big blow. Like people have already said, recent events are leaving american players in the dust. There’s no doubt that less legitimate casinos will emerge from the settling dust to make a buck off them.
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Bryan has taken this action on advice from lawyers following meetings in Barcelona. It’s not a move he wanted to make.
I am sure it’s a move he is VERY unhappy with and as I stated in the beginning I can understand his concerns and his desire to minimize his legal exposure. Shit, we are all scared.
But that being said, it’s still doing an immense dis-service to US Players, the Microgaming Casinos who have supported his efforts for years and eCogra too.
It definately hurts our entire industry when someone with the level of respect that Bryan has enjoyed decides to close the door on US Players.
Gotta be honest here…I’m surprised he’s being criticised for this decision in light of everything we’ve seen going on recently.
