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Professor wrote:I am absolutely floored by this:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/14587-us-players-casinomeister.html
I can’t fault Bryan for wanting to cover himself legally, but this is a machette trough the throat of US players. And it’s a huge boulder hurled at the casinos who are still supporting US Players.
Definately not good! :toidy:
Once the American Gambling public goes to the vultures,
the politicians and the media will take out the harps
and sing about how the land based operations need to
come to the rescue. They will also mention how much good
all the new taxes will do for education and the homeless.
Meanwhile, those that were actually policing the wild west
are certified criminals and will be made an example of.
Viva Las Vegas.
:popcorn:
aleph wrote:Once the American Gambling public goes to the vultures,the politicians and the media will take out the harps
and sing about how the land based operations need to
come to the rescue. They will also mention how much good
all the new taxes will do for education and the homeless.
Meanwhile, those that were actually policing the wild west
are certified criminals and will be made an example of.
Viva Las Vegas.
Very poetic Aleph. And you may well be at least partially right ( just not sure about the “certified criminals” bit
).Simmo, tell me what you want, but please don’t say that the
American Bible thumpers had anything to do with this or that
it’s a Republican thing.
:colgate:
Oh yes the American Bible thumpers! Raising money for the church by having bingo night and vegas nights where gambling is okay. But as soon as they raise the money the way they want, well all bets are off and gambling becomes a sin again.
Originally Posted by Simmo!
Before you cast aspersions, if you read the thread he also states that he is continuing to support US players. I think you have jumped to a conclusion a bit quickly here:My apologies if it seemed I was jumping to conclusions, I should have been more specific and said …. is it not illegal to accept payments from the US players that we all ready have, for CM or myself? No jumping here, and I don’t know the answer. I know the Meister would not throw his well earned reputation out the window, and he is doing what is necessary for him, I respect that.
cagney12 wrote:…is it not illegal to accept payments from the US players that we all ready have, for CM or myself?Hmm interesting point. No idea :bored:
Simmo, tell me what you want, but please don’t say that the
American Bible thumpers had anything to do with this or that
it’s a Republican thing.
Yes its all about the money for sure. The Baptist’s disapproval of gambling is just a very handy “front” for certain politicians to deflect the blame.
There is a reply to the post on casino meister:
I understand why you can not redirect US citizens to casinos, but why enforce this stupid ‘US only rule’ to the rest of the world?
This reply makes much sense. Since the site is a global site it does not make sense to affect all his users with the measure.
If he is German and has the site hosted in Germany he must stick to German rules.
Would like to know if he checked online gambling rules for more than 200 countries that exist in the world and banned casinos accordingly. Sincerely don’t really know how this US rule affects a foreign citizen with a foreign website. Just because something may be not legal in a certain country it does not mean that it isn’t at others.
I know that it is not easy to know the exact implications of this law but in my understanding, a casino licensed in Gibralatar with operations on the internet with no business or assets in US is not commiting any crime if a US player deposits money into the casino, because it is not illegal in Gibraltar. If there is any illegality it must be the deposit by the US player. At the time any wager is made, it is Gibraltar jurisdiction.
Isn’t the Meister hosted in the US?
He is not German, he is American. He lives in Germany, and that country has already stated that it will arrest online casino owners who go there.
In the current climate, it isn’t safe there either, I don’t doubt for a minute they would extrodite.
In any case, when any of the posters here at CAP make decisions and take down sites, or sell sites, or use geotargeting, or only carry casinos that accept US players, or carry no casinos that accept US players, or pull all the links or whatnot, everyone accepts and supports the decision, whatever it is.
Not sure what the problem is here.
Let’s all get back to figuring our own course of action.
I am going to build the biggest and best free games site on the planet. That’s my decision. It’s nobody’s business but mine if I do, and the same applies to what Meister decides to do.
We are each faced with different circumstances, and let’s please grant everyone the freedom to decide what’s best for themselves. We have enough freedoms taken away from us, we don’t have to do it to each other.
Meister is a US Citizen living in Bavaria.
As several other posters indicated he still visits relatives here state side and was concerned about getting grabbed when he’s here or possibly being extradited by the Germans.
I can understand his concerns and support his right to do what he wants with his site. I dont want anyone to get the idea I was criticizing Bryan as an individual.
I do think this has a negative effect on all of us though when a high profile site drops casinos which are supporting US players right to play. Obviously it would be far better for us as an industry if the large players stuck it out for as long as its legally possible to do so.
Professor wrote:I do think this has a negative effect on all of us though when a high profile site drops casinos which are supporting US players right to play. Obviously it would be far better for us as an industry if the large players stuck it out for as long as its legally possible to do so.Yep, now we have to deal with shock and awe, just what the administration likes to spread.
They are quite good at it!
I don’t really think anybody is criticizing CM’s decision. The disbelief and disappointment expressed stems from fear! The industry has been shook up badly lately. We just don’t know how all of this is going to affect each of us in the end and see CM taking down sites that allow U.S. players as a dire sign of things to come. It’s scarey.
It’s getting pretty hard to be optimistic.
Actually, I think we’ve been taking the hits like troopers, considering billions of dollars of revenue is leaking down the drain.
Good luck to everybody. Let’s hope we hear some good news soon.
Amen to that Fergie. This is the worst month (news wise) I have ever seen in all my years of affiliate marketing.
Each additional bit of bad news is like another brick thrown onto a load that is already too great to carry.
I am praying for some good news soon too.
i’m suprised that the 85% of the US population who supports gambling is just going to let this bill live. The government tried to ban alcohol back in the 20s, no one was going to do it and that gave birth to the biggest crime organization in the world with Al Capone. This is just going to do the same thing and there will most likly be huge gangs and criminal organizations forming because of it.
So much for freedom… SEESH! I feel like going to DC and kicking some ass right now, get a million protesters, march in and tear that law down with my bare hands and say tough shit, aint going to happen, 85% of America is against it and no one is going to tell me what I can do with my own god damn money! Fucking Morons! :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:
“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Ben Franklin (should be my new signature soon)
