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Guys, everyone is struggling to find the right decisions here.
There is no point in pointing fingers at each other, whether we agree with choices made or not.
At the end of the day, each of us has to live with their own personal situation and circumstances, and these can be as varied as we are here.
The only people I would have a problem with are those who pick up unethical, shady casinos and push those to US players. (or anyone else)
But I think those type folks will bite themselves soon enough, if the place treats players like s#!t, it will treat affs the same way.
Let’s try to avoid infighting, the industry has enough to worry about.
I read through quickly but I did not see another site in place for Americans to find assistance. Will another site be able to pick up the displaced players who need help?
I agree with your take professor. While I understand that each has to do the necessary to protect themselves, I would like to see everyone remain united, I believe there is power in numbers. I am sure CM won’t refuse payments from his players that are still allowed to play?
I’m doing the same thing and find it hard to believe that this is somehow seen as grandstanding or abandoning the US players. They will easily be able to find places to play. Whether they can still get their money in and out – time will tell.
Casinomeister’s site theme is similar to this one in that it claims to weed out the good from the bad in this field. I don’t think that will change for him. He (and the players) will just have a lot less to choose from. I think it’s the least risky decision for US based affiliates.
Professor wrote:Simmo! I am suprised you of all people are so comfortable with all this since you have been one of the people who have been the first to step forward and say Online Gambling is not illegal and that US players are perfectly within their rights to play online. You also have stated on more then one occasion that everything was being overblown and felt that some people were faning the flames needlesslyI still adhere to that Prof.
But I don’t object (or have any right to object really), to people directly in the firing line covering their own asses. I haven’t once castigated anyone for making their decisions. Although I may not agree, that is their choice.
Plus it’s easy here from the UK but I am sure when it’s my ass on the line, I’ll probably do the right thing too
Cagney12 wrote:I am sure CM won’t refuse payments from his players that are still allowed to play?Before you cast aspersions, if you read the thread he also states that he is continuing to support US players. I think you have jumped to a conclusion a bit quickly here:
PAB is open to anyone (except fraudsters). US players are encouraged to join the forum and contribute their experiences, observations, bitches and moans, etc.
…and later in the thread…
One thing I need to reiterate: this does NOT affect US players in a negative way. Obviously US players are welcome to participate in the forum, and they can PAB all they want – and they’ll get the same attention as everyone else.
All he’s doing is stopping promotion of casinos who take US bettors because he has been advised to do so professionally. So while the Government have stopped him from advising the players before they play, if you actually read the thread properly, what he’s actually doing is continuing to HELP USA players who have problems at ANY casino, accredited or not, even though he can no longer benefit financially from it by promoting them!
Not many people would be prepared to do that I think.
mojo wrote:I read through quickly but I did not see another site in place for Americans to find assistance. Will another site be able to pick up the displaced players who need help?The onlineplayersunion.
Fergie wrote:He lives in Germany, but has family in the U.S. which I am sure he likes to visit once in a while. I think that he is doing what he feels he has to do in order to avoid being arrested under dubious circumstances when visiting the U.S.It’s already been shown that U.S. authorities will make arrests on the flimsiest of charges.
[HTML][/HTML]I agree with this. This probably has something to do with his decision. Germany is one country that is very willing to work with the US regarding this bill.
lagunacat wrote:I agree with this. This probably has something to do with his decision. Germany is one country that is very willing to work with the US regarding this bill.Any government not country will be happy to do the same.
In the end all of this boils down to nothing more than simple business decisions, if you want to get down to brass tacks. Bryan is making what he feels is the best decision to maximize the value of his business in the current climate, while reducing the likelihood that he will ever have to spend a night in jail. Nothing more, nothing less.
Which is exactly what sites that are sticking it out and keeping their doors open to US players are doing as well. Do you really think that PokerStars and Full Tilt are interested in protecting what they believe are certain inalienable rights and freedoms of US citizens? Of course not. They’re taking the stance that they believe they will profit the most from, in the long run.
When these decisions coincide with what we personally want to see happening, yay, we applaud them. When they run contrary to what we want to see happen, boo, how dare they.
Question I have what do you think will happen to eog. They still promote sportsbooks and the owner is in the STATES
He may decide to stick it out until the 270 days are up.
Simmo! wrote:Before you cast aspersions, if you read the thread he also states that he is continuing to support US players. I think you have jumped to a conclusion a bit quickly here:I can’t be certain but I believe that Cagney12 was referring to revenue share plans for USA players. Assuming he does have those; is he going to refuse payment from all profits generated by the casinos he no longer carries? I as did Cagney12 would doubt that would be the case.
Personally this doesn’t bother me; its his site he can do what ever he wants. Some of you are acting like what he does is going to have a direct impact on your operations. If those casinos decide not to accept any US wagers its not going to be because of his decision to not promote them.
@axl]I can’t be certain but I believe that Cagney12 was referring to revenue share plans for USA players. Assuming he does have those is he going to refuse payment from all profits generated by the casinos he no longer carries? I as did Cagney12 would doubt that would be the case.[/QUOTE wrote:
No idea Axl. Why does this matter to us exactly?
At the end of the day, each of us has to live with their own personal situation and circumstances, and these can be as varied as we are here.
I couldn’t agree more.
