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Absolute Poker has done just about everything possible to make sure the issue was resolved making sure it won’t be happening again. Right now there isnt a more secure room online that AP and UB. Anytime you are under the public spotlight like they were you make sure and cross all your T’s.
I have spoke with them several timea about the ‘potripper’ situation since it all came out and they are serious about make sure it never happens again. CAP was very proactive in digging into the situation and seeing exactly what went down. I can say that for sure those players were in the wrong and got very greedy. AP did pay back each player affected and applied new security measures.
As an affiliate I wouldnt worry about another security breach. It really in no way changed affiliate commissions or revenue. As a player, where you decide to deposit is your own business and is subjective to where you would like to play. Personally, I played on UB just last week.
gregpowell;150537 wrote:Absolute Poker has done just about everything possible to make sure the issue was resolved making sure it won’t be happening again. Right now there isnt a more secure room online that AP and UB. Anytime you are under the public spotlight like they were you make sure and cross all your T’s.I have spoke with them several timea about the ‘potripper’ situation since it all came out and they are serious about make sure it never happens again. CAP was very proactive in digging into the situation and seeing exactly what went down. I can say that for sure those players were in the wrong and got very greedy. AP did pay back each player affected and applied new security measures.
As an affiliate I wouldnt worry about another security breach. It really in no way changed affiliate commissions or revenue. As a player, where you decide to deposit is your own business and is subjective to where you would like to play. Personally, I played on UB just last week.
Interesting view . . . I listened to Lou Krieger`s show on Rounders radio last night and he and his co-presenter were far from happy that the situation had been resolved satisfactorily. No report from the “independent” audit has materialised despite promises from AP and the Kahnawake Gaming Commission.
The show will be available on podcast soon and probably re-air on Sunday at 3pm EST if anyone wants to listen to it.
Absolute Poker has done just about everything possible to make sure the issue was resolved making sure it won’t be happening again.
Nobody involved has been punished, one still has ownership and all of the cheats have friends and family involved in day to day operations that are helping to protect these thieves that stole almost $1,000,000 from prosecution. There is certainly no guarantee these thieves are no longer involved, especially since Scott Tom almost certainly still has ownership. If anything the fact that people still promote them and play there gives them more of a reason to try to pull this off again.
Right now there isnt a more secure room online that AP and UB.
You’re kidding right? If you think either of those rooms is more secure then Poker Stars or really almost any other room then you have little if any knowledge of the industry.
Anytime you are under the public spotlight like they were you make sure and cross all your T’s.
Except for we are waiting on audit that was suppose to be finished 5 weeks ago. AP has not made any public comment in quite some time. As we know most of their public comments about this situation were misleading or outright lies.
Also AP retroactively changed bonus terms again in another bait and switch scam, one they have pulled multiple times in the past year. The latest was just a month or so ago. I suppose changing terms on existing bonuses is crossing their T’s?
Quote:CAP was very proactive in digging into the situation and seeing exactly what went down.If you did it wasn’t public, they were never suspended and AP made no comment on this board (or any others) except for a handful of complete lies. The fact they tried their hardest to cover this up with the help of many insiders, many of which are still involved in AP.
Quote:It really in no way changed affiliate commissions or revenue.This shouldn’t matter. Shouldn’t you be more concerned with keeping the reputation of your site high?
Absolute is rogued/blacklisted at so many large poker portals including Pokerlistings, Bonus Whores, Casinomeister, Wizard of Odds, Pocket 5’s and 2+2 just off the top of my head. These sites are among some of the most respected in the poker/gambling in the industry. I’ve been warning people about these people for over a year when those of us at BW first considered blacklisting them for their shady ways long before thry tried to steal $1,000,000, or maybe it wasn’t, we will never know for sure how long they were stealing. These insiders were playing in games since the launch.
As an affiliate I would be concerned with the fact that AP changed terms on existing players in multiple ways. One is deducting 5% off of MGR (about 20% of your pay if you don’t pay rb) on US players for a service fee. It isn’t a deposit fee because they charge it whether your players deposit or not. They also went from dealt to contributed further lowering MGR. They didn’t just do this for new players, they did it for all players.
AP has been caught stealing almost $1,000,000, tried everything imaginable to cover it up, have not punished the thieves in any way, have stolen from affiliates and players by changing terms to their advantage, exposed important personal info about players and have yet to even release a promised audit from over a month ago.
The only people who should even be bothering to promote these guys are people that offer rakeback and could lose their pay which would piss off their players that choose to play there. Even then it should be with a warning. If you promote AP and don’t give rakeback or at least give people the full story of what happened shame on you.
If your player searches Absolute Poker after you push them on your site and sees so many rogue pages about the scandal what will your potential player think about your site? Who cares if you’re making money right?
There are few if any well known industry observers that feel AP is anywhere near mopping up this mess. By claiming all is done you’re just giving them an excuse to pull this BS again.
Can you imagine any other industry where one would send people that trust them to a place that was caught stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars? What about if the company tried to cover it up? What if the company refused to turn the thieves over to authorities even after finally being caught so red handed they couldn’t lie about it anymore? What if said thieves still owned part of the company? What if said business stated an audit would be available and over a month later had not released or even commented on the audit? Is this somewhere you would bank at? Why would you play poker there then? Why would you send your friends or customers there?
If this company will steal from their players they will steal from their affiliates too as they have already proven. If you promote these thieves you will be stolen from. They have proven this time and time and time again.
This board might be full of mostly casino affiliates that don’t understand the magnitude of the damage AP did in the online poker industry but that doesn’t mean you can come on here and outright mislead them. They know better, too many people busted them out and there is no way anyone can say they have fixed it. Thieves that get caught don’t get to say everything is OK just because they paid the money back they got caught stealing.
BTW it is almost certain AP introduced the interest for VIP Elite players just so they could pull this scam off. This scam was planned well in advance and took a software modification to pull off. This wasn’t some 1 man show.
The Kahnawake Report was completed yesterday:
View the full PDF here:
@Professor 150626 wrote:
The Kahnawake Report was completed yesterday:
View the full PDF here:
This is just a summary leaving out very important details. The actual audit has not been released. Also AP withheld a large amount of info from a third party they invited. This doesn’t cut it and shows how AP and KGC does not take this seriously.
The irony is that in an earlier statement KGC stated AP was owned by KGC owners, now it says they are fining AP $500,000. They are fining themselves? Maybe I misunderstood?
Also AP never put anything about this in their software or on their site about this. How can you be sure AP paid everyone that was robbed if so many didn’t know about it? They sent emails to some players but not to all. They even sabotaged their forum to prevent discussion about this topic. Does this sound like a company that is on the up and up and the victim just like the players are?
hang on…
Casino affiliate programs is still supporting AP eventhoug they are found guilty and fined ?
What kind of signal is that to send – cheat and be foregiven, you can still promote through us.
Shocking.
@Professor 142160 wrote:
Trust me if its proven that they allowed a past or present employee to rig games or tournaments we WILL BARBECUE THEIR ASS.
The last thing our industry needs is a scandal like this to make players uncomfortable about playing. We are taking this VERY seriously.
Please consider the above statement, combine that with the kanhawke report, and explain why AP is still certified ?
The report states clearly that the people behind tha scam must be rmoved from having any role in AP (basically saying that it was an inside job)
@hostrup 150692 wrote:
Please consider the above statement, combine that with the kanhawke report, and explain why AP is still certified ?
The report states clearly that the people behind tha scam must be rmoved from having any role in AP (basically saying that it was an inside job)
I was wondering about this too.
BTW it appears that UB (AP’s sister site) has been covering up a superuser scam on the same magnitude. Phil Hellmuth has reportedly come out admitting UB has been in coverup mode and the earlier accusations are true.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=2213529&postcount=258
Read that entire thread. This is why anyone that rogued AP should have at least delisted UB if not rogued them too. When this completely pans out anyone that has been saying “AP has done right to fix these problems” will have egg on their face as UB has been stealing and covering it up too while claiming they were coming clean. Notice how Hellmuth doesn’t think players will ever see this money either.
Here again it is time to rethink certification of Chipleader. What is going to come out next about these guys that they are trying to hide?
That thread at twoplustwo has been deleted, but I found another one that now says the Hellmuth emails were fakes.
While the emails were fakes, the scandal is not!
Here’s a link to what’s going on… Suspicious Plays on UBWhen the AP scandal was first outed I black listed them immediately. At that time I also removed all UB advertising from my site. They do share ownership!
I guess i was right on that pro-active move…The results of the AP audit are a joke, $500,000 fine, slap on wrist, blah blah blah…. the real cheaters have gotten off Scott (Tom) free. Pun intended.
Do keep us updated here on this matter, as many of us don’t hang out on the poker forums. Thanks.
Yes the poster who posted the emails was had. Regardless the cliffnotes of the UB story are basically that there are/were superusers there too. The accused account Nionio has ben completely deleted after the same astonishing win rates. He was a “better” cheater though. We all knew AP insiders players on UB so this should be no shock. Rumors like this have been floating for quite some time, this is just where proof from multiple sources have come together.
this podcast on 2+2 is interesting (re: AP and UB superuser accs)
