How Long To Get Out of Google Sandbox

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Webber–

You are talking about a diffferent type of JS re-direct than I am. The kind that Google does not like is when webmasters use javascript re-directs to serve a different page of content other than what the bot is seeing. Matt Cutts is talking about people ‘tricking’ the Googlebot–it is basically a form of cloaking where the bot will see one page of content and visitors see another through the use of JS re-directs.

This is NOT what I am talking about. Maybe ‘re-direct’ was not the proper term. I should have said: Instead of using HTML links to link to each of my affiliate casinos (like we all do with the ?=xxxx and the affid tags etc.), I am going to use JS function calls instead, realizing that bots do not follow Javascript Links (function calls) and so, if my theory is correct, the bot will NOT be continually lead to online casinos as they are now when indexing our sites, which is what I think leads to sandboxing. From my research it is ONLY affiliate sites that are suffering from this effect (and not just casino-related) because it is these types of sites that are competing with Google for revenue.

I am pretty confident this will eliminate the Sandbox effect–but I won’t know for sure until 5-6 months down the road.

what are you keywords

I’ve one site that hasn’t made it out for 22 months and counting!! I had another one that made it out last month, albeit in a small way, after 15 months.

There are a number of valid and profitable business models.

Antoine has developed his for a long time and is very successful with it.

I think that too much growth too quickly would look “unnatural”. I don’t follow all the SEO trends, just the basics, and google likes natural growth.

I have never been in the sandbox, so I really don’t know how to get out. But I imagine google watches the sandbox to see what “tricks” are employed and uses this to adjust their algo.

Lots of people in the box will use every trick in the book to get out – what a treasure trove for google to watch.

What I mean is have content on the index page (that is the page you want to get ranked for anyway) and maybe 4 other pages, but dont bother creating 100s of pages of content.

At least that’s my approach and it seems to work for me.

Antoine

Antoine,

That seems to be the approach–I am building 3 separate websites targeting different topics (one website is on slots/video poker–this is the one that’s 9 months old, well develped but still in the Box, one is on general gambling/online casinos (just started) and one is on poker (3 months old)) each on a different server, hosted in a different country!)

Yes, I pretty much agree with everything you said here–could you just clarify what you mean by: “Dont worry about content?” It seems that my ‘content’ is what is getting me ranked well in MSN and to a lesser degree, Yahoo.

I think MSN focuses more on content than links…
Yahoo is a pretty good mix of content and links
Google is all about links and links only.

Comments?

I should probably have clarified my post but I was rushing and was on my way out when I made my last post. From my experience it takes different amounts of time to get out of the sandbox depending on the industry and the competitiveness of the keyword. For keywords like casinos and online casinos I have seen up to 3 years. For less competitive terms I have seen as low as 1 year.

Truth is I dont think google is the traffic goldmine that everyone claims it is so I dont even worry about this search engine. I target yahoo and msn.

I’m not sure if the sandbox is related to outbound links. I have websites that have no affiliate links on them that are still in the sandbox. Sometimes the sandbox exists for far longer than it should for how competitive a certain keyword is. I might be in the minority but I think that after a certain while, once incoming links, on page seo, etc is factored, there’s a huge randomness factor in which websites rank, and how high they rank. The only thing that can be done at this point in build more websites. It’s frustrating.

The one thing that I have noticed of which is not important is comtent. Dont waste your time on it until you have a website ranking. This was my biggest initial mistake, i wasted too much time on creating content for a minority of websites. Only bother with this once you get traffic.

As for selling out… I’m sure you can make a comeback. The same set of skills is required. SEO is just as easy it just takes more patience. I still dont have the skills that most webmasters have, I cant program, not even html, I cant web design properly, etc

Just build websites and dont worry about google for now.

My site flew out of the sandbox after around 9 months.