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Tripple777 you are more than correct.
No deal needs to be worked out between affiliates involved and the program.
All that needs to be worked out is how fast to start sending payments.
@bonustreak 191342 wrote:
Are they being allowed a booth? I had no idea they were having a booth. Don’t get me wrong I am all for a talk and a resolution that is really great but I am not going to stop the fight.
Sorry to be unclear. I just assumed that they would evenually show up somewhere and IF so then I’ll be sure to be there. :tongue:
I personally DO NOT want to trust them to pay me fairly here out for years to come and I would just like a settlement or CPA for my past players and move on although I do respect the views of others and will see what they offer.
we can not go on toghether with suspicious minds (:wink-wink).
R.
I want what I contracted for – continued payment for my player base.
Thats what I want Dom.
Pat right now the deal is they ARENT paying us anything for our players. That “Deal” sucks and we are going work like hell to restore the existing terms we agreed to when we sent those players.
Gamtrak I am not a fan of CPA and would much rather earn and get paid what is due me for the life of my existing players. If you want to discuss CPA I suggest you bring that up individually as an option once we get over the NGR hurdle. I am afraid a lowball CPA might be offered and we would all be at a loss. Besides that its not what we agreed on originally when joined the affiliate program. We were promised NGR revenue for the life of the players and I thinks thats a reasonable request for them to honor.
Tovey class action lawsuits are a means of last resort.
Consider this, an actual lawsuit might create a legitimate concern by all programs of being subject to them at some point in the future. They (ALL AFFILIATE OPERATORS NOT JUST GRAND PRIVE) just might be advised by their legal teams to go direct through media buys, in house portals, mail lists, media sellers and the like and exclude affiliates to minimize their legal exposure.
A class action suit sounds attractive on the surface and may provide some emotional comfort as a possibility, but I thnk the potential reprecussions (to the affiliate community and affiliates) would be far more costly than what we might actually recover.
I am not saying the option is off the table, I am just lending my advice that we exhaust all other means before we take that severe an approach.
When you’re doing business you are always being subjected to the law. I find that normal. If that means Grand Prive could be subject to a class action suit because they messed up big time then that is the risk of doing business for them.
@Professor 191405 wrote:
Gamtrak I am not a fan of CPA and would much rather earn and get paid what is due me for the life of my existing players. If you want to discuss CPA I suggest you bring that up individually as an option once we get over the NGR hurdle. I am afraid a lowball CPA might be offered and we would all be at a loss. Besides that its not what we agreed on originally when joined the affiliate program. We were promised NGR revenue for the life of the players and I thinks thats a reasonable request for them to honor.
If things can go back to the way they were and we don’t lose anything then that would be great so I’ll wait to see what happens.
May i ask a ?
I read somewheres in a thread that grand prive;s new affiliate company is awaiting for certification, now, is it fair to say that if a company has a bad credit history for paying its partners or its affiliates….that they should be some how penalized by thier actions , so as not to be able to get a new branch of thiers certified without paying off bad debts?
is there a way for us to stop them from being able to earn any income off there new branch without first paying off thier debts, may put a lien on them some how??
if this was stupid, sorry! lolll
If that means Grand Prive could be subject to a class action suit because they messed up big time then that is the risk of doing business for them.
I don’t think that’s where the Prof was going with that G:
Consider this, an actual lawsuit might create a legitimate concern by all programs of being subject to them at some point in the future. They just might be advised by their legal teams to go direct through media buys, in house portals, mail lists, media sellers and the like and exclude affiliates to minimize their legal exposure.
A class action suit sounds attractive on the surface and may provide some emotional comfort as a possibility, but I thnk the potential reprecussions would be far more costly than what we might actually recover.
I am not saying the option is off the table, I am just lending my advice that we exhaust all other means before we take that severe an approach.
agree.
Yes I “get” the point that you and the Prof think there is a chance of this having a knock on effect if it scares other operators. Firstly I think it could just as well go the other way and the precedent could make operators more careful not to mess while at the same time keeping rev share available. Secondly there are many big established groups like all the UK books and some Austrian places and maybe Canbet that run big, reputable operations who do not hide behind shell companies in hard to reach jurisdictions. These operators willingly expose themselves to a barrage of possible lawsuits every day – from business partners, customers, employees, affiliates or any other stakeholders and they are not asking for special rules either? I agree that a class action law suit should always be an option of last resort but it should be an option nevertheless.
edit: By the way I appreciate anyone’s efforts to try and make some progress towards resolving this in an amicable way. I don’t want to wage all out war either. I’m just saying you should be able to consider legal options for the reasons stated above.
I think EVERYONE, including Grand Prive, needs to work towards NOT shooting each other in the leg!
The biggest problem is the precedent that this sets.
If the affiliate community simply says, “Ah No Big Deal”, then Pandora’s box is open.It doesn’t make a difference whether you make 100 dollars a month with them, or 5 Thousand.
100 dollars a month is 1200 a year,…. so times that by 5 or 10 years, and see what the real damage is to you. I still have players going at places from 6 to 8 years ago!!!
Hell, they may go 15 years or more! Who knows?? The industry isn’t that old yet! LOLAnyway, factor in this kind corrupt interpretation of our terms into all of your affiliates programs, and you have set a precendent that will destroy the affiliate gambling industry.
It isn’t a simple matter of ONE Program stiffing us,…. it’s the likelyhood of others following suit that can’t run their programs properly and efficiently to make an honest dollar.
Every program that runs into a problem will start ditching affiliates to save themselves instead of working it out with us!!!If Grand Prive and Villa Fortune are allowed to succeed in this historic affiliate crisis, this will do NOTHING but breed even more dishonesty in an industry that already has way too much of it.
Trust is the keyword folks.
BWIN has just done the same thing, BTW.
They decided to close down their affiliate program effective December 1st.
OK, fine, but they didn’t screw affiliates going forward.Here is a copy of their closing procedure, and Grand Prive should follow suit.
Dear Affilate Partner
As the owner of EuroPoker.com and PokerRoom.com, the bwin group has now decided to centre its Affiliate Marketing efforts on bwin.com, the most successful and best converting of its brands.We therefore regret to inform you that we are forced to hereby terminate all Marketing Agreements with PokerAffiliate.com as of the 30th November 2008, in accordance with Clause 17.2. of our Terms and Conditions giving 30 days prior written notice. As a result, PokerAffiliate.com will no longer pay any remuneration for newly acquired customers for PokerRoom.com and EuroPoker.com generated by the affiliate partners as of the 1st December 2008.
Affiliates will continue earning commission for users referred before the 1st December 2008 and receive their payments as usual in accordance with the terms and conditions of the Marketing Agreement with PokerAffiliate.com.
Your account at PokerAffiliate.com will remain fully accessible and regulated.
We would like to thank you for your vital contribution to the success of EuroPoker.com and PokerRoom.com. However, we are pleased to continue to offer you a long and successful cooperation with bwin.
If you have any questions please don’t hesitate to contact your Account Manager.While an unpleasant situation to be sure, at least BWIN did it an HONORABLE, and PROFESSIONAL manner!
Whatever you all do in London with Grand Prive, it should be based on this same level of honesty and integrity, JMO.
I never saw that one, I need to drop them asap now lol
Glad to know that helped you.
I felt that there might be some people that were not aware of the BWIN/Poker Room change, so I was trying to raise some awareness of that while drawing the contrast between the way BWIN handled it honorably, and professionally,….. and the way Grand Prive didn’t.
