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August 29, 2007 at 7:54 pm #747240
Anonymous
InactiveI am not a legal expert but as far as I understood, this new UK issue is related to offline advertising not online. if that is the case and one is an affiliate who doesnt advertise offline you are ok… hope we get some good legal advice here to see wheather it is related to offline only, as I understood.
Itay
August 29, 2007 at 9:39 pm #747264Anonymous
Inactive@itay 136294 wrote:
Professor, can you ask all the programs to supply the place they are licensed to help all of us?
This would be a very helpful idea. It’s getting difficult to track sites as they move about.
August 30, 2007 at 9:20 am #747324
owldeath2MemberItay
in response to your post yes it is online and offline advertising and hence the whitelist will affect anyone wanting to market into the UK/ or to UK users. The sites that we promote must be on the whitelist.
hope that this helps
August 30, 2007 at 10:29 am #747329Anonymous
Inactivedoes anyone know what countries are on the whitelist?
cant find em anywhere.August 30, 2007 at 10:48 am #747332
frankBPMemberAt the moment, the website states:
The Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, James Purnell, has rejected applications to join the exempted ‘white list’ from Alexander (Canadian Reservation), Netherlands Antilles and Tasmania. Applications from Kahnawake and Antigua are still being considered.
Gambling operators in jurisdictions that did not apply to be white listed are also automatically banned from 1st September too. These include major online gambling centres like Costa Rica and Belize.
Only Alderney and the Isle of Man were able to demonstrate that they had in place a rigorous licensing regime designed to stop children gambling, protect vulnerable people, keep games fair and keep out crime.
Countries in the EEA did not have to apply to be white listed.
August 30, 2007 at 1:49 pm #747360Anonymous
InactiveJust to clarify, the EEA comprises all member states of the EU plus Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Gibraltar.
I’ve spoken with them this morning and the ban includes all .com addresses as well as .co.uk directly aimed at or located in the UK as well as UK based Webmasters. It was noted in a previous post that this was not the case.
They also said that a decision hadn’t been made whether or not banners could feature bonuses or not but an update would be issued shortly. I was advised that at the moment, Kahnawake and Antigua links should not be shown on sites that are affected until a decision is made regarding these juristictions.
I’m surprised that the sites moving to EEA areas aren’t more forthcoming with the news that it’s ok for UK Webmasters to promote them.
August 30, 2007 at 2:39 pm #747370Anonymous
InactiveI think the whole changes are a particularly grey area for all concerned.
We are still awaiting our licence which has been agreed but not officially issued (yet). Our MD is over in Gib soritng this out as we speak, he’s back tomorrow.
If it turns out we dont get the licence by tomorrow then I will need to seek advice from our compliance officer on what can be done.
I should know more on the matter.
In either case, we will also have banners offering no incentive to gamble also.
But I think for now all I can do is get back to you tomorrow with more factual info. :sarcasm:
August 31, 2007 at 9:09 am #747441Anonymous
InactiveKeep us updated Martyn! Thanks for taking the time to let us know the BetFred stance at the moment.
Unfortunately, most Affiliate Managers haven’t been so forthcoming with information about where they’re at with the new laws.
August 31, 2007 at 9:17 am #747442Anonymous
InactiveYou must be psychic Doolally, was just thinking about hitting the forum with the news…
Licence Granted…Business as usual here!
For your info we have new banners going up today which will also not display any bonus offers or incentives to gamble, should be up by the end of the day!
Thanks also for the kind words Doolally, sometimes it is hard to find the time to hit the forum as much as I would like but I do try.
If you have any questions I will try answer them the best I can, we have a compliance officer inhouse so if there are any mastermind type questions then I can phone a friend!
Cheers
August 31, 2007 at 9:23 am #747443Anonymous
InactiveHi guys,
Our Malta license was granted a few days ago and we have now completed the server move (from Curuacao) so Jackpotjoy is now officially operating from Malta, which is an EU member state.
So very much business as usual for Jackpotjoy as well!

Cheers,
September 1, 2007 at 1:41 pm #747561Anonymous
InactiveSo whats the defining factor for determining where a bookmaker/casino is located, is it :
Where they are licensed
Where their servers are located
Where their head office is locatedSeptember 1, 2007 at 2:10 pm #747567Anonymous
InactiveThis issue just pertains to the license.
With regards to affiliates it doesn’t seem to be so clear. According to Doolally you need to comply fully even if you’re UK based and run a non UK targeted .com site which is kind of f’ed up in my opinion.
Some aff managers/programs seem to play “the feds will never catch us” again (with the exception of the few good ones who cared to post in this thread). I’m starting to get sick of it.
September 1, 2007 at 2:14 pm #747568Anonymous
InactiveYes but its us affiliates the feds will be after ?
So take Canbet for example, according to their website the are licensed in both the UK and Australia ?
September 1, 2007 at 2:21 pm #747570Anonymous
InactiveWell, that should be good enough I think. As long as they have one European license. They have pretty predatory terms so I wouldn’t promote them anyway.
I just read Doolally’s post again and it seems that untargeted .coms are fine. That’s the only good news to come out of this I guess.
September 1, 2007 at 2:33 pm #747571Anonymous
Inactive@Goldfinger 137254 wrote:
Well, that should be good enough I think. As long as they have one European license. They have pretty predatory terms so I wouldn’t promote them anyway.
I just read Doolally’s post again and it seems that untargeted .coms are fine. That’s the only good news to come out of this I guess.
What I was actually told was that untargetted .coms are ok so long as they’re not hosted in the UK. Don’t know if that helps you at all.
Remember not to take anything as gospel though unless you get a professional to advise you. The guy at CAP (the other one) said that the rules were not 100% clear even for them and it would take a test case or two to settle things down.
I see no point in taking chances with the law where apart from investing a little more time I can keep everythng above board. We have enough sh*t in this industry to put up with, so I’m doing my best to comply with the new rulings as best I can. Changing the wording of certain articles so as not to incite gambling seems to be taking the most time.
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