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bb1webs wrote:Hi all,
When its legal, so will be advertising. Vegas will easily be able to afford the top spots for ads. While I know there are a few who don’t; I ask you: how often when you do a search trying to find Joes red wagon website; and you see Joesredwagons.com advertised at the top of the page … do you choose to visit one of the natural search results from say .. aboutredwagons.com ?
even the times I have chosen the natural return results when the site I’m seeking is at the top ad spot .. I generally click open the site I am seeking .. and any natural returned results which I think may be beneficial to my cause. In that case: whether the aff site has a link or not: and even if I click it: they aren’t going to get credit because once I opened Joesredwagons.com .. the cookie was set and it’s going to appear I was already there first … thus not giving the aff credit. (correct me if I’m wrong on that).
How is this different from the current use of the internet? If I know I want to go to pokerstars.com, then I just type in pokerstars.com and away I go. These people already exist, and it hasn’t killed the affiliate industry. The people who affiliates are targeting have just heard about online poker and want to try it out, they search for things like ‘best online poker’, ‘poker strategy’, and so on. These are the people that end up at affiliate sites and use the information there to help make a decision. Of course there will be people who type in the address directly, but to think that people searching for information will completely stop simply because Harrah’s or some other large consortium gets into the game is ludicrus.
I must agree sisko this would be the achilles heal if Vegas decided to provide Online Gambling.
greek39
greek39 wrote:I must agree sisko this would be the achilles heal if Vegas decided to provide Online Gambling.greek39
Who are you agreeing with? Me or BB1? I have such a hard time following your posts. Some punctuation would probably help.
I am sorry just got back from the dentist. I guess the drugs haven’t quite worn off yet. In any case very interesting topic. I will jump in later when my brain is together.
greek39
kar wrote:which could mean we really are at the mercy of programs who make it into the market.I’m pretty certain affiliates are at the mercy of programs already.
Making online gambling legal will bring certain protections that are not just not available now.bb1webs wrote:Hi all,When its legal, so will be advertising. Vegas will easily be able to afford the top spots for ads. While I know there are a few who don’t; I ask you: how often when you do a search trying to find Joes red wagon website; and you see Joesredwagons.com advertised at the top of the page … do you choose to visit one of the natural search results from say .. aboutredwagons.com ?
even the times I have chosen the natural return results when the site I’m seeking is at the top ad spot .. I generally click open the site I am seeking .. and any natural returned results which I think may be beneficial to my cause. In that case: whether the aff site has a link or not: and even if I click it: they aren’t going to get credit because once I opened Joesredwagons.com .. the cookie was set and it’s going to appear I was already there first … thus not giving the aff credit. (correct me if I’m wrong on that).
on a separate note:
there is no way Vegas is going to offer a rev share. On that I stand firm.
there won’t be any vegas casinos offering rev share so none of them will be missing out. Stupid made an excellent point that seems to be passed over. Vegas casinos stick together. the only hope IMHO for any chance of a rev share might be if the Indian casinos see the chance to get in front of the game by offering rev share.
Not likely however you’ll ever see Harrahs, MGM etc ever offer that sort of payment schedule. I truly hope I’m wrong. But that’s not how I’d bet.
Hi,
I don’t agree with this, 888, partypoker etc advertise like crazy at the moment, but they still offer rev share and depend heavily on affiliates so why would Vegas be different?
On another point if the US Market opens up again why are you asuming it will only be the Vegas Casinos offering online services, I actually think the big boys like 888, partygaming etc will come back leaner and fitter than before. I expect the ban to backfire hugely on Vegas, or at east I sincerely hope so.Hi again all,
first as I said before: I truly hope I am wrong on all counts.
that said: what makes anybody think that if it is made legal in the states that it will be legal to play at off-shore casinos?
888 and party can come back as lean as they want; won’t change the fact that the US gov will want to keep the money in the states.
as far as rev share goes: well if/when vegas goes online I guess we’ll know then won’t we?
How is this different from the current use of the internet? If I know I want to go to pokerstars.com, then I just type in pokerstars.com and away I go
then IMHO you’re not being wise. Its always best to choose from a portal because you have some kind of recourse if you get cheated. You can return to the portal and say: hey the place you recommended cheated me. what are you going to do about it?
In the case of Harrahs; the possibility of getting cheated will be nill. Everything will be regulated by the US gambling commission and if you have a problem, you can turn to them.
That kind of recourse simply does not exist when dealing with online casinos. There is no ultimate force to turn to with a problem.
Sisko, I hope you’re entirely right.
BB1 I think your thoughts are righ on par.
You can bet that if the USA legalized online gaming in the US, it would be for
land based eg state regulated or sponsored casinos only. They would not permit promotion of outsiders, hell why do you think they are working so hard to shut everyone out?Unless they start to pay attention to the WTO things arent going to get any better for affiliates. And we all know unless China speaks up they arent going to pay that organization any attention.
OG Paper wrote:Many folks in the casino affiliate industry want to see online gambling legalized in the United States. But did anyone stop and think about what would happen, in reality, if online gambling became legal today?I didn’t go through all the posts (yet).. But I don’t recall hearing anybody wishes to see gambling legalized in the United States. I heard many voices against the US bill itself. I can and do understand that.
Online gambling has been illegal in some states for quite a long while and everyone of us affiliates and the programs didn’t really care or allowed this to stop him from advertising to those states or enjoy the commission generated from players who reside in these states.
Vegas casinos have and will have more than enough income.. No online casino can provide even one tenth of the Real Vegas Experience just like visiting an online restaurant can not be compared to actually eating at a real one.
Vegas attracts loads of tourists from all over the world and generate a nice income.. opening the market for competition is the last thing they are interested in.
All the affiliates I’ve heard cry for a new payment processor.. not to have gambling legalized.
All the affiliates I’ve heard cry for a new payment processor.. not to have gambling legalized.
Many affiliates do want legal gambling in the US, it’s all over this and other forums, plus if it was not true, this thread would not have been so many pages
A few thing I would like to add:
This is probably the only time I wish I was wrong. Let hope so.
Also – 888, Party Poker etc. – those are no big boys. If they were – they would not have left the US market, but fight the bill.
And again – when it comes to land-based casinos operating online casinos – there will be nothing to research. They would come strong as “regulated” casinos, they would offer tangible comps, they will raise awareness about online gambling only at “regualted online casinos”, etc. Those are very powerfull companies and they will get the full support of government and law.
And as far as affiliates come – they will have no power and will ahve to go by what the casinos say.
I mean – look at the current situation – affiliates are getting less and less powerful each day, half of the aff programs on CAP have broken their T&C, and whatever programs are left in the US market are lowering commissions, changing terms big time, etc.
And this is happening while we are still the only source of traffic the online casinos in US have. Can you imagine what will happen if they were able to advertsie on TV and all media? Look at VIP Profits for example – their commission structure starts at 20%. When was the last time any Rev started at 20%??? Can you imagine what a legalized onlne casino which is based on a corporation will give you?
And axl is right – America has such a trade deficit, that it is ridiculous to think WTO can do anything, especially about online gambling…
bb1webs wrote:When its legal, so will be advertising. Vegas will easily be able to afford the top spots for ads.True, but I bet you that 95% of their clickthroughs will be from other gambling webmasters or search engine affiliates, and therefore worthless or fraudulent :tounge2:
Okay Online Gambling vendors are finally legal to operate within the U.S. boarders. The key word here is “Online” meaning this medium would be provided to people who are able to use it. Next thing you know Vegas drops in a couple a billion to get the ball rolling. They are doing pretty good knocking out relatively speaking Party Poker, 888, well let’s just say they dominate.
But in the midst of it all they have mist one important aspect of the “Online” business, but what? I will give you an example, I knew a person about five years ago determined and desperate to have a website. The intentions were never money motivated but rather for personal satisfaction. She wanted a site where visitors can come and make personalized greeting cards. A couple of years later the site was finished and the traffic starting pouring in. The traffic was so crazy it was not long before Big Corporations began take notice. They wondered how could this person have more traffic and outrank us in every aspect? Maybe it would be wise for us to make an offer for advertising on this site. The company was Hallmark the offer was let’s just say lots. Soon after another seeing the competition “Hallmark” placing adds on this site another big Corporation came along and did the same. Today this person is a multi-millionaire and the site continues to flourish.
There are plenty of examples “My Tube” google spent a couple of billion on that one. So I must resort back to the keyword “Online”. Most of us here on CAP know about the leisure activity of Gambling very well. But more importantly we know how the web operates with all its’ splendours. We know the “Online” World and we are masters of it. To say if U.S Online Gambling vendors finally became legal to operate within U.S boarders this would negatively impact on us would be a fallacy. It would be contrary to the facts as illustrated time and time again.
I would see this as a opportunity, and a more lucrative one than our present day condition.
This is my take and am I sticking to it.
Greek39:omg:
Next thing you know Vegas drops in a couple a billion to get the ball rolling. They are doing pretty good knocking out relatively speaking Party Poker, 888, well let’s just say they dominate.
There would be no “knocking out” – the law will be designed to allow only land based US casinos to have online presence – period. It will be an absolute local monopoly.
We are talking about gambling here, not cards, PCs, hotel rooms, credit cards – all of these things have some kind of offline regulation, but not nearly as severe as gambling. Gambling is so regulated that you cannot fart in a casino without the supervision of the local gambling board, memebers of which are present in almost every casino all the time.
Ok, lets start from here, and see if we can agree on this:
If a law is passed in the US legalizing online gambling – only local land based casinos will be allowed to run online casinos.
Ok fair enough “If a law is passed in the US legalizing online gambling – only local land based casinos will be allowed to run online casinos.” But there is that pesky little keyword “Online”. If they offer this Gambling venue online I would have to assume the World Wide Web would be the medium? A good thing as previously stated.
With U.S trade agreements around the globe I would speculate no out right monopoly in this sector. The U.S would have to open it doors to other Nations. But then again this is the U.S we are talking about. I would say plausible an outright monopoly could take place.
But again I have seen no examples of this. For instance, I bet General Motors would love to kick out the foreign Car Makers. Also I believe the U.S has laws against monopolization as illustrated with the law suite against Microsoft a few years back.
Monopolization is a free market sin. Interesting topic BTW.
Greek39
