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I have found that the Casino Rewards stats take 1, 2, sometimes 3 days to show up … so no I dont believe it is actually live.
Ok, I see – wonder why the stats cant be live? Well I was just testing the casino myself as it has never made me a dime and then when I saw that the deposit didn’t show up.. well
hehe I know exactly what you mean
They are coming off my sites and I am making a decent profit with them – just dont feel satisfied.
This is one of the programs I wrote about in another thread. Until I emailed the manager I didn’t get any downloads, but was getting hits. The day after his response I started getting downloads and a few actual deposits.
That was me in late 2002 – I wasnt making anything with them after joining in mid 2002. I wrote Brent and complained told him about my sites and my traffic … blah blah.
Immediately I was making 2000% more a month – it continued to go up until I leveled out – and despite a growing player base, adding to my website portfolio = more traffic – I keep making the same profits month in and month out from 2003-2004.
A nice profit that not many would complain about, but no growth coupled with poor support and so much more success elsewhere – I can not justify continuing the relationship.
I think a lot of us have experienced similar things … complaining and then seeing immediate results. IMHO that doesnt make ANY sense none what so ever!
This is the email I sent to Casino rewards.
Gareth
I have a small site that has giving you a lot of hits (100’s) over the past year, since July 2003. I have yet to converted very many of these hit, matter of fact just one. In the past 4 months I have completed a lot of work on the site and need to promote sites that bring me money. Yours is not in this category. Are you making money off of my site by shaving? I can not afford to deal with an affiliate program that is not fair. Please let me know what you think the problem is. I am open to all suggestions.
Eric
Onlinebettingreview.comThis is the reply I got back
Hi Eric,
I understand your concern. We have the reputation to be one of the most honest Casino Affiliate Program on the Net, for the simple reason that we don’t rip off Affiliates, and pay them what we owe them. I can ensure you we have never cut one’s clicks and earnings.
If you want me to have a look closer at your account, please send me your Affiliate ID or username.
I think the problem lies with the number of clicks you sent us: it’s just too few. Also, maybe the way you describe our casinos does not correspond to what they are, and people are confused and don’t decide to download / register / join.
Our program converts really well for many affiliates; I cannot see why it wouldn’t do it for you.
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Kind Regards,
Gareth, Affiliate Manager.
I just sent them this email
Gareth
The day after I received your reply I had one player deposit. Isn’t that odd? Casino Rewards is mentioned very often on the casino affiliate programs forum. It seems I am not the only one that questions your stats. There is two threads where Casino Rewards is mentioned and they are not very good. We invest in your casinos, bring you players, and only ask for a fair and accurate accounting for our efforts. (commissions)
Thanks
EricI think the problem lies with the number of clicks you sent us: it’s just too few.
When ever you hear this from a program RUN RUN RUN … I have always held that such comments are an indicator of hit quotas!
If a program is converting at say 30:10 – EG 30% of clicks produce a download and 10% of those downloads produce a real account then by all means that ratio should remain constant regardless of the # of hits sent!
Considering that 30:10 ratio – If you were to send 1000 hits you would expect 300 downloads and about 30 joins. If you were to send just 100 hits you could STILL expect to get 3 players using that ratio. That 30:10 ratio has been quoted to me by numerous programs. One program in vegas even quoted me a 30:50 ratio, which has me skeptical, but none the less he claimed it and I am going to test it
…Again if a program is telling you to send more traffic and/or give us more or better exposure – do NOT hesitate to RUN in the opposite direction.
On one of my programs I’m getting 40:20. All coming from the same site. I’ve got another program I need to email, I’ve been with them over a year, send them traffic and haven’t gotten one download.
I believe it’s time to clean house. Instead of spring cleaning it going to be fall cleaning.
LOL…
I’m not a fan of the “too little traffic” argument myself, but I do want to point out that deposits will never show realtime for the Microgaming operators, at least not until they upgrade their system. The operators are required to “pull” data periodically – some do this once an hour, some once every couple of days. CR pulls a few times a day if I am not mistaken. Brightshare appears to pull every hour, Fortune every couple of hours. Vegas Partner and Money Mechanic about twice a day.
Here is the reply I just got back from Gareth.
Mate,
I don’t even have your account number – “If you want me to have a look closer at your account, please send me your Affiliate ID or username.” Is what I wrote in my previous email – how would you want me to put a player or unhide one in your account???
I made a search under your email address and website names in our Affiliate database but couldn’t find you, and still can’t. So basically you have to look at coincidence, dumb luck or good aura coming from me.
I am not sure I can even convince you that we don’t cheat; we have overall a good reputation as being honest, but you can make your own opinion. The posts you read are probably created by promo abusers, who open an affiliate account then bull player accounts and try to get away with it; of course we lock them and then they get angry and post all over. You will never see posts of good affiliates, as they are busier working to generate money than complaining.
If you have post URLs to give me, I’d be interested, though. And again, if you want me to have a look at your account, please send me some piece of info I can search on: id/username.
Cheers,
Gareth.
Casino Rewards stats seem to be just as quirky as the others to me.
I did email Garth about a month ago – but it was about player complaints on a forum, and that I was reducing their already low exposure on my sites until it was cleared up.
The stats: Last month I made just over $1000 with CR, but this month it’s flat-lined at $100.00…no player activity since the very first day of the month.
You have to wonder what happens to the players we sign with casino rewards – they sure don’t seem to become repeaters as they do with most microgaming casinos.
You will never see posts of good affiliates, as they are busier working to generate money than complaining
Hmmm, I must be an awful affiliate.
Well, usually I am not complaining. :bigsmile:
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You will never see posts of good affiliates, as they are busier working to generate money than complaining
sounds like they are saying to shut up and take the shavelol
:rolleyes:
Hi again Eric/Titus,
I just had a look at your account and everything looks square; from April (when your first download occurred) until now you’ve had only two real players registering – Johnie and Tina – and only one did purchase, $230 which is good but nothing fantastic.
As I told you earlier, there is no way I can prove you our stats – the same as the ones you see – apart from having a look around at our testimonials and the majority of posts on forums. I could forward you tons of emails thanking me for my help, for the quick payments, for sorting out stats issues, etc. but even that wouldn’t really prove anything. Moreover you’ve already made up your mind, so I don’t see the point of preaching to the wind.
You might also want to note that we are monitored by Microgaming, the game software provider, and that if we were found to be acting in a mischievous way we would lose our license: do you really think it’s worth it? Especially with Affiliates as small as you?
Greetings to the Casino Affiliate Members who seem to read my emails one after the other by the way; I could sue you for that, Eric, hope you realize it.
At this stage if you want to go elsewhere and promote other casinos, please do so: you’ve never brought us good traffic nor good players, and cost us a lot of time and effort getting back to you. As a reward, all you did was posting private discussions on forum(s), which I find other than unprofessional, completely rude.
Regards,
Gareth, Affiliate Manager.
I’m glad Gareth had the balls to post the email before I did.
