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FPR: be loyal to yourself.
that means providing a casino that offers fair-odds games, and pays their winners. That also means stepping in on the side of the player when they are mis-treated.
this whole bonus bullshit is just that .. and frankly I feel it gets what it deserves.
yes it takes a while to build a quality reputation but doing so will bring in the kind of players you want. No bonus offers necessary.
Yes to rewards for play. makes sense. giving away free money for players whom you have no idea what they may be like … takes away incentives from proven players and invites the very things that made this thread necessary.
but not one single casino has ever taken this route. concentrated on above average support …. above average rewards for play already done.
word would spread to the kind of players you’d want but much like this whole industry ……..nobody takes the higher road or is willing to risk the chance my theory may be right.
This thread brings up an interesting point.
Who is an affiliate loyal to the casino or their customer? Obviously if it’s the Casino then by allrights this is bad. But if you are loyal to your customer you should be doing everything you can to help them succeed in making money.
Just my .02
Since when is it an affiliates job to do everything they can to help players make money? :huh2:
I do everything I can to be clear, honest, and play fair. Gambling is entertainment and as long as everyone knows the rules, and plays by the rules, I don’t think we need to choose a side to be loyal to.
It’s great to see our players winning, but they’re not going to win all the time and I’m certainly not going to try and do everything I can to help them make money. Especially not if it means resorting to bonus abuse.
If you really want to help them make money, why not head ’em off to a real job?
Daera wrote:Gambling is entertainmentExactly!
Gambling is entertainment and a bonus is like a discount. With a bonus you get more entertainment time for your money.
Gambling is NOT a way to make money, that’s ludicrous. You make money by providing desireable goods and services, not by pursuing a fun past time. Professional poker players make money by providing entertainment for others, for instance.
If you present gambling as a way to make money – that is unethical IMO. Gullible people will believe it and get in trouble.
Yes, people do win, and that is part of the entertainment. If you keep seeking to be entertained by gambling you will undoubtedly win and lose, and in the long haul you will pay for the casino software, employees, affiliates etc. Just like you pay for the theatre, movie production, and their employees and advertisers when you go and see a movie.
Presenting gambling as the entertainment it is makes sense for you, too. You will attract intelligent players who understand how it works and enjoy the entertainment value. They will budget their entertainment cost and play month after month because they are enjoying themselves. You will build a player base with happy customers and do well. Player, casino and you will all be happy.
Teaching people how to exploit a software glitch in the cashier is not advertising gambling, it is teaching folks how to break the law by stealing. Since these customers (and they are not players) will be one-shot wonders just trying to get something for free, they will not provide you with a stable income. They have no interest in playing. Hence you need to be paid by CPA since there is no player value.
Obviously a casino will not continue to pay you for sending them thieves.
Once in a blue moon a player will find an ill designed game and figure out how to beat it. That is another story, because now you have a player just playing a game and winning.
Or, occasionally, a bonus will be ill designed and give the player an edge.
Cheating the cashier does NOT fall in that category. There is a HUGE difference.
Even if you yourself don’t give a hoot about ethics, it behooves you well to observe the ” truth in advertising ” rules. Happy players will continue to provide you with a continued income. They will tell their friends that your site offers good advice and carries only legitimate and decent casinos and you will grow a player base that will soon pay you more than misguided people ever could.
Dominique wrote:Presenting gambling as the entertainment it is makes sense for you, too. You will attract intelligent players who understand how it works and enjoy the entertainment value. They will budget their entertainment cost and play month after month because they are enjoying themselves. You will build a player base with happy customers and do well. Player, casino and you will all be happy.Teaching people how to exploit a software glitch in the cashier is not advertising gambling…
It’s also not “bonus abuse.” The title of this thread should be changed.
In fact, we should never be talking about “bonus abuse” as it’s a fake concept. A lost bonus is considered a “bonus” by casinos. Using one smartly is said to be “bonus abuse.” Casino companies employ mathematical wizards. All of their money is made on math. The house should still win when people are making intelligent betting decisions. It’s not “blackjack abuse” when someone is using basic strategy. Nobody takes more cards on 21 because it’s so darn entertaining. Everyone would like to win at the casino, and if casinos insist on giving them the mathematical edge to do it (bonuses), then people aren’t “abusers” for being smart about it.
Dominique wrote:Or, occasionally, a bonus will be ill designed and give the player an edge.Cheating the cashier does NOT fall in that category. There is a HUGE difference.
Exactly.
This thread is providing a nice opportunity for programs to identify the attitudes of various affiliates. I wonder if anything will come of it.
Funny that this software provider / casino (if its who i think it is – as theres always been only one casino that allowed players to do this) used to blog spam the net to death too – i guess the house always wins
Well, since we took the topic in a whole new direction, I will play the Devil’s advocate and just mention that there are some forms of gambling which are for entertainment and some which are for money.
For example, horse race betting and sports betting have nothing to do with entertainment – the entertainment will happen regardles if you place a wager or not, the race will take place, the game will be played and you will have fun watching it, but betting on it is just for money.
State lotteries are another example, maybe the worst, because they provide 0 entertainment, and are purely based on winning money.
There is nothing wrong with expecting to come out a winner while gambling in any form. But don’t quit your day-job.
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There is nothing wrong with expecting to come out a winner while gambling in any form. But don’t quit your day-job.
For some, expecting to come out a winner by gambling might not be wrong, but can be very disappointing more often then not.
I happen to love the horse races, they are fun.
It’s the chance of winning, not the expectation that I’m going to win, that makes gambling entertaining/fun to me.
It’s the chance of winning, not the expectation that I’m going to win, that makes gambling entertaining/fun to me.
The chance of winning may be entertaining, but every sane person expects to win when they place a horse bet. That’s why you bet on chosen horses, unlike the lottery, where a big part of the gamblers let the machine choose random numbers.
Again, the lottery is the best example how some form of gambling have nothing to do with entertainment – the chances of you winning the “Mega Millions” is so slim – it’s not even funny.
Bingo, on the other side, is a perfect example of the entertainment in gambling.
I disagree. The lottery and horsebetting and sportsbetting ARE entertainment.
When you bet on a long shot, you don’t EXPECT to win. You hope you might win. You become more involved in the race than if you simply watched without the bet. The excitement is the entertainment. It is almost a “high”, like a drug. You forget about everything else while you watch. The outcome is not the actual goal here, it is the “high”, the excitement, that makes it fun to bet.
The lottery is the same, it’s the moment of excitement, will my number fall or another one, that is gratifying. This is the profile of a person who plays for entertainment.
Yes, I know there are gamblers who bet only to win. In blackjack, they will chisel away for hours trying to win using “systems”. In sports etc., even the lotteries, they will spend much time on preparation, on making the right picks. In roulette, they will buy “winning systems”. ETC. Always aiming to manipulate things in order to make the “big win”, they will spend much money and time. Personally, I don’t like targeting that sort of gambler. These guys are much more likely to slide into becoming a “problem gambler”, and I don’t like to be responsible for that.
Probably there are more different types of gamblers around, possibly many subcategories.
The type of info you give on your sites determines which type of gambler you will attract. This is also why promos will work on one site and not on another.
In any case, none of this has anything to do with cheating cashiers. That’s not gambling of any type. That’s stealing.
I changed the title of this thread to reflect what was going on in THIS CASE which was Fraud.
The term “Bonus Abuse” triggered people to focus on other things then what this particular affiliate was advocating which was fraud. This instance had NOTHING to do with the terms and conditions of a bonus promotion or legitimate game play. But for whatever reason people seized on the term “Bonus Abuse” to head off on that tangent.
Not sure if this has been covered yet, but I’m kind of curious which program is claiming they are being cheated due to their faulty software? Must be a new program or new software?
Funny that this software provider / casino (if its who i think it is – as theres always been only one casino that allowed players to do this) used to blog spam the net to death too – i guess the house always wins
That narrows it down a bit sigh.gif
Webzcas wrote:That narrows it down a bit sigh.gifOh, so the big bad wolf got a thorn in it’s toe and now want’s help getting it out? They should be paying the guy for helping them to indentify an outstanding issue and then fixing it asap, not out crying foul. If it is actually that particular wolve they have no sympathy due.
This has been a very interesting thread i must say..and i agree totaly with daera on this…
Who is an affiliate loyal to the casino or their customer? Obviously if it’s the Casino then by allrights this is bad. But if you are loyal to your customer you should be doing everything you can to help them succeed in making money.
Last i knew we as affiliates dont want winners at least those who get paid by % and those who dont i wouldn’t think could care less one way or the other. What i want as an affiliate is to promote casinos that are fair and have good odds so that the player will come back to again and again.
