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Many sites, many IPs?

blackhawk asked 1 year ago
How many of you here own over 50 websites and do you care about having them all on different IPs?

Is it really be optimal to have them all on separate IPs? Is it hard to obtain many different IPs? expensive? how is this done? Also what is the advantage of separate C blocks how hard is this to accomplish, and can this be elaborated on a little?

Thanks, I know it has been talked about before, but a nice summary would be very helpful for me right now.

Very much appreciated,
Bernie

10 Answers
chockee answered 1 year ago
Not exactly the summary you are looking for but hopefully answers some of your questions

I work with a number of search affiliates (by day) who are using SEO for search directory style sites.

All the big players use different IP’s and different a few different company names and whois details. The logic behind this for these type of sites is that they are SEO’ng search results on search engines which Google etc… really don’t like.

By having a range of sites on different IP’s means that if for any reason of there sites falls foul of the engines and ends up blacklisted or watched (yes the engines definitely do this) they are protecting themselves as this particular style of site wont last for much longer than a few months

So for a casino affiliate if you have a lot of sites as a precautionary measure I would split them up. This does not mean that you are doing anything particularly bad (scraper sites etc…) but if for any reason you get on the bad side of an engine or they think you should be, you have covered yourself. by not getting all your sites into the trouble

This is quite easy to do – In terms of getting different IP’s you could open a few different hosting reseller accounts from different companies and you can split your domains/sites between them. For a few sites I have I put them on a hosting reseller account where I can host multiple sites/domains its not expensive and can be as cheap as having one dedicated server or multiple single site hosting accounts

blackhawk answered 1 year ago
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This is quite easy to do – In terms of getting different IP’s you could open a few different hosting reseller accounts from different companies and you can split your domains/sites between them. For a few sites I have I put them on a hosting reseller account where I can host multiple sites/domains its not expensive and can be as cheap as having one dedicated server or multiple single site hosting accounts

hmmm… I have thought about this. So when you signup for the reseller account how do you insure that every domain you host has a separate IP? Don’t you really need a separate hosting account for each domain if you really want them all split up? More details on this whole process would be appreciate. Or if there is a “central” way to manage all of this, even if it includes making some investment?

Thanks Chockee,
Bernie

chockee answered 1 year ago
Is this ultimately a way to manage privacy of your sites?

Just asking as I have 2 diifernt replies to your last thread and I am trying to save wearing out my fingers <span title=” title=”” class=”bbcode_smiley” />

chockee answered 1 year ago
Sorry if I am being long winded –

To ultimately get 50 different IP’s for differnt IP’s but manage it centrally will be a really hard process even with investment

Every server has an IP address and that is fixed. Even when you sign up to a shared hosting plan you will have a maximum of 2 IP’s as they will place all there shared hosted sites on a bank of servers A-Z. And your site at Rackspace will be one of X on the same IP range

Generally speaking your hosting company will occasionaly move you to a different server when they have problems to ensure your site is kept live.

Whether you have a hosting company or different account set ups, ultimately it will take you the same time managemnt

I am not quite sure why you would really need to split up every single site.

I would suggest combing different options

Hosting Reseller – x 4 accounts dropping a few sites into each
Shared Hosting – for any sites that I did not want associated with the others.

If privacy is really important to you apart from hiding registration details, I would use differnt company names and a mail drop reference for the address, as ultimatley your payments would be going to one company which would not be on the domain

But it does seem great lengths to be going to.

One of the biggest advantages in splitting out sites for differnent IP’s can be SEO

For example I use a US hosting reseller and a UK hosting reseller and then some shared hosting plans – split between european server locations

Shared hosting for total privacy and country location of server so for my UK sites ranks highly in Goog UK, German site on german shared hosting for Goog DE etc…

the biggest advantage of the reseller account is you can try new sites and bin them if necessary instead of individual hosting for each. So really helps testing out as I am sure like most people you have some core sites and then a few that grab players here and there

I know its a very long way of saying mix and match but I know I would not remember where I had half my sites if split between 50 single hosting packages

blackhawk answered 1 year ago
Nice points…

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Shared hosting for total privacy and country location of server so for my UK sites ranks highly in Goog UK, German site on german shared hosting for Goog DE etc…

I had not even considered this. Most of my surfers are U.S., as my network is land based gambling in the U.S. 50 states = 50 sites + one network hub linking all 50 together. Very good point for others watching this thread who do target multiple countries.

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Is this ultimately a way to manage privacy of your sites?

Actually no, but this brings up more good questions. I am doing this so my cross-linking between 100+ sites of related content don’t get penalized. I have heard/read that google doesn’t give as many points for links when links are coming from a network of sites that all share the same IP address, and if you can get on separate c-blocks, that’s even better. For separate c-blocks I need a to be hosted on a different server on each site, correct?

Is it equally as important at this point to have private registrations or different names on each domain name? Is it confirmed that google is also checking whois information?

One last question for now: if I have dedicated servers of my own, what do I have to do to obtain more IP addresses? is there anything I can do? (I don’t but have been considering it)

Thanks – Bernie

blackhawk answered 1 year ago
I called Godaddy.com and if you were to host with them, they say for 2.95 per month in addition to hosting costs they would give you a separate IP address for each site. My account manager is going to call me back – I can usually get a better deal through him. I am going to look into co-hosting there, for curiousity sakes, because that might be a central way to have all separate IPs and I’ll ask him about different c-blocks too.

Won’t work for those trying to host outside the U.S. though.

Anyone have any experience hosting with godaddy? I’d like to know about speed, uptime, and service.

Best regards….

chockee answered 1 year ago
Sounds good wasnt too sure what you were looking for

When it comes too Goog not sure how much I believe, in terms of penalization I dont see how they can actively penalise you for same IP

Lets say 20 of us on this forum have alll got shared hosting with X company

and we all cross link

But were all on the same bank of shared servers that they use how can you justify penalising against these sites? there separate, diff content etc..

Google will one day win an award for online SEO urban legends <span title=” title=”” class=”bbcode_smiley” />

That said just in case a baby aligator did get flushed down a new york toilet meaning that aligators live in the sewers and have been breeding for years I would on that logic split my IPs

Will stop posting now – 2 many b’day drinks <span title=” title=”” class=”bbcode_smiley” />

blackhawk answered 1 year ago
In my case all sites share a template and are similar in code, use the same url structure, and number about 100 they are also all casino sites. So I don’t know… maybe I picked up on something that doesn’t exist.. maybe there is no penalty, but I swear to god I have heard this before <span title=” title=”” class=”bbcode_smiley” />

I heard back from my act. manager at godaddy : For about 4000 a year I can host 100 smaller sites on godaddy and get a separate IP address on each site.

Mostly was just curious about this topic.

Thanks.
Bernie

fatbill answered 1 year ago
Blackhawk…..

I have a dedicated server, with 80+ sites, and they are ALL on seperate IP’s. This is something that a decent hosting company should offer without question. Where I host, the first 64 IPs are included, and a nominal fee is charged for more. I also have those IPs spread out over several C Blocks specifically to avoid interlinking within the same C…..

DivaG answered 1 year ago
There is no penalty for having the same IP. What you need to know is the Google is a registrar, which means that even though you use private registration etc they still have access to the real information.

Google has stated that they do not use the database to actively look for you or penalize sites. If you are doing wrong though they now have an easy way to find all of the associations.

It is going to get a lot tougher on those who perisist in using techniques to manipulate engines with garbage. It will be easier for those of us who are actively creating unique content and working toward providing a resource of value online for our businesses.