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howardmoon wrote:Yes betting the Don’t is the best bet (it loses you the least)
You can’t compound that advantage with your strategy. Your strategy does nothing. That is the problem with your page – it promises something it cannot deliver, namely an advantage. Your progressive strategy provides no advantage – if it does, I advise you to either a) use it yourself to make money at casinos and/or b) take The Wizard Of Odds up on his $20k challenge – if you can prove your betting strategy increases your odds at Craps, he will pay you $20k. Good money eh? If it works.
I never denied that your page makes money for the affiliate. People who sell “get rich quick” schemes, “beat the house at roulette” ebooks and “cure cancer” pills also make good money. That doesn’t mean it’s ethical or moral.
When I read this it is “promising” as you say to give an advantage and it does… you are taking it as an advantage over the casino and I am taking it as an advantage over other types of betting on craps. It is statistically correct to bet that way is an advantage over betting say hard ten all day. On top of that, “PERFECT” strategy is that strategy that has the lowest HA mathematically possible, thus this system IS giving a player who does not know this an “advantage”. Maybe not over the casino, but indeed over uneducated, willy-nilly wagering on craps.
But perhaps I am missing your point.
pacificsun1 wrote:I was up late though trying to work out some kinks…Sorry D ….44 are you still mad at me ….?Mad? Never was mad
Love the effort you put into this and love the idea.
dalster44
HDaddy – if pacific’s purpose was to offer the ‘Don’t Pass’ line bet, then his strategy would be a one-liner:
“Always bet Don’t Pass”However it is not. He provides a progressive betting strategy, uses quasi-science to explain it, and does everything possible to mislead the reader into believing he has found a winning strategy.
It uses phrases like
“[the software is] statistically vulnerable to this strategy” and
“Random sequence is not programmed in an internet casino. The software simply delivers winning percentage to the casino. This fact creates the vulnerability exploited by the system”These are flat-out lies. There is no ‘vulnerability’. The software does not ‘simply deliver winning percentage’.
Do you not agree that these statements are designed to sell the system to the player? Don’t you think that the majority of players will think that they are getting some scientific, statistically tested system that will enable them to beat the house?
Isn’t therefore the whole thing a lie?
pacificsun – you’re still completely missing the point, and just digging yourself into a deeper hole. The point is simple: you are making up random stuff in order to portray your system as being beneficial to the player.
I will summarise one final time:
- Your progressive betting system does not alter the odds for the player at all
- You make several misleading and inaccurate statements which are designed to make the system appear profitable
- You use stats such as “62% wins at Inter Casino” which must be based on tiny sample sizes and therefore are misleading and designed to make the system appear profitable
- You think it is ok to mislead customers in order to make more money
- You know nothing about gambling and nothing about ethics
- Talking in all caps just makes you look even sillier.
Hope that’s clear.
Holy Smokes … What the heck …
Howard Moon … after reading several of your posts I’m beginning to feel just like you want me to.
I’m not half the person you are. Heck you’re a much better person than me. You bring players into the fold in a religious sort of way. You put up an animated gif that flashes 100% Bonus offer. Now that’s not misleading ?
I teach a gambling strategy and give the player an opportunity to test it ….for Free or for Cash. We’re just worlds apart you and I.
Don’t forget … You’re still living in a glass house. I feel terrible about not living up to your expectations but you should come back down to earth … get real and lighten up. We’re all in this together … but we’re all in it.
Some people like me just the way I am
dalster44 wrote:Mad? Never was mad
Love the effort you put into this and love the idea.
dalster44
pacificsun1 wrote:Holy Smokes … What the heck …Howard Moon … after reading several of your posts I’m beginning to feel just like you want me to.
I’m not half the person you are. Heck you’re a much better person than me. You bring players into the fold in a religious sort of way. You put up an animated gif that flashes 100% Bonus offer. Now that’s not misleading ?
Well, I don’t try and mislead my players. If I have a banner that says 100% bonus that means they will get a 100% bonus. There may be conditions and limitations but they will get a 100% bonus and those conditions/limitations will be displayed to them before they take the offer.
You say you have a strategy that exploits vulnerabilities in casino software. You do not have a strategy that exploits vulnerabilities in casino software. Therefore, you’re lying to your customers.
Seems quite a big difference to me, but do let me know if I’m missing something.
Quote:I teach a gambling strategy and give the player an opportunity to test it ….for Free or for Cash. We’re just worlds apart you and I.But you tell people it works, and it doesn’t.
Ok, how’s this:
I sell aspirin. On my website I say
“CURE FOR CANCER?
These pills are designed to exploit vulnerabilities in the cancer cells. In my recent trials I have found that 60% of people who took my pills had the symptoms of their cancer reduced.”
So, is that ok? Would you do that if it would make you some more cash?
Cmon Howard Moon …. come back down to earth and get real. You ain’t no better than anyone else. You just want people to think you are.
howardmoon wrote:Well, I don’t try and mislead my players. If I have a banner that says 100% bonus that means they will get a 100% bonus. There may be conditions and limitationsI don’t care what people think about me, I’m not the one trying to sell them something (well, nto trying to sell anything to CAP anyway)
What I’m trying to do is to indicate that your idea is wrong. You haven’t actually answered my points, so I take it that you just have a “who cares” attitude.
That’s your perogative, but I hope the others here realise that what you offer is deceptive and not in the best interests of their customers.
Howard …Howard … Howard….
I don’t always have a “Who Cares” attitude. But it comes up occationally when people who I don’t know, and don’t know me, call me a liar and a cheat.
You should be more respectful to people. There may be some who enjoy listening to your ugly insults … but me … I’ll tell you from my heart …I don’t give a fat rats ass what you think … It’s true Howard … I Don’t Care. (not even a little) How’s that work for you ?
howardmoon wrote:I hope the others here realise that what you offer is deceptive and not in the best interests of their customers.Ok people, this is your friendly moderator speaking.
This thread is starting to turn a bit nasty. You know I have to move those to the free for all area.
So let’s all take a deep breath here and be nice.
Howard time to calm down , People have different ways of advertising and making money –
We are in the business of making money – and pacific suns site might be worded a little off but in no way does he state that he guarantees you will win 100% of the time – and actually even if he did – if someone is dumb enough to beleive you can win 100% of the time in online gambling they deserve to lose .
Pacific i look foward to trying your system out –
Sure we all have methods, but shouldn’t we try and keep those methods fair and honest?
i never said that pacific claimed anyone could win 100% of the time. The lowest figure quoted in his ‘test’ of his system is 62%. That would give the player a vast advantage, enough that anyone using the system could make hundreds or even thousands every hour if they had a big enough bankroll.
But, as I’ve said a few times already, my main issue was with the two statements I’ve quoted above, both of which are false and are designed to give the impression of a winning, profitable system which this is not.
It reminds me – though it is not as bad – of Jackpot Factory’s recent PR disaster. That was universally lambasted because it told stories of people who profited consistently from gambling, or whose lives were improved enormously by it. These were obviously false, and the advertising was shameful and removed with much embarassment by JF.
This is pretty much the same in that it suggests something that cannot be delivered. It’s not a promise, I’ll give you that, but it’s a very strong suggestion designed to feel like a promise!
Well,
I had a system for playing slots that worked well for me at Microgaming casinos that I offered to my visitors and I got some nice replies back thanking me for it.
This same system was tried at Playtech and I busted quick over and over again.
It all comes down to discipline, get out when your ahead, thats the problem with most gamblers.
I play the same sort of system betting Football staring with $25, if I lose I bet $75 and so on, evenually I know (assume) I’ll win and be ahead. Its no guarantee of course but still another system.
Anyways, opinions are nice and everything, without them the board wouldn’t exist, but like Dom says, lets keep things pleasant while we agree to disagree.
dalster44
we as affiliates are sending players to our affiliations knowing full well they will lose their shirts – more money for us yippee! Cmon peter pan!
I simply love to gamble and try to entice players with the same attitude. I certainly don’t want players who try to pay their rent. I personally use my own strategy just so I can play longer. When I win a decent amount, I’ll cash in my deposit and play off the winnings
Every time I’m in Vegas, you always here screaming and shouting and it’s always coming from the crap tables. I would love to play craps, just don’t know how. I will put pac’s flash on my site but I will try it first myself. In fact I will read on basic strategy for the game and play it and try pacs way. I will then post below the flash, results from both. My site has been established and respected long enough, where my visitors won’t think I’m trying to swindle them.
Do research on how many people would love to play craps but don’t because it seems too complicated. If pac’s way simplifies it for them and they would be willing to put some of their hard earned money into it to try, I don’t see any harm.
I sent you an e mail pac.
Being from Washington, I think pac is just trying to make some money without having to do it from a jail cell since they’re not allowed anymore to associate themselves with online gambling. I’ll be glad to give him 20% for something that just takes up a little space on my site.
voovoo wrote:we as affiliates are sending players to our affiliations knowing full well they will lose their shirts – more money for us yippee! Cmon peter pan!Lol, I was thinking the same exact thing. I think Mr. Moon needs to step off his high horse and get off that I am holyier than thou routine. I don’t care how you try to spin it, you are in the business of benefiting from other peoples misfortunes. Period. As a matter of fact, everything you say on your website is to lead a player to deposit in hopes that they will lose so you can make money from that. Sure we don’t want people to lose their house, but we are all silently crossing our fingers that these players don’t cash out so we can make a buck. You certainly didn’t put your website up hoping people break even and you make zilch. So all your preaching about ethics and morality doesn’t hold much water. At least not in this case anyway. Someone needs to shoot him with a reality dart or something.
