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Howardmoon, I hear you. My point was that stuff like the blackjack charts raise gamblers expectations. The gambler doesn´t see it as a way of loosing less, he will see it as a great way of winning.
But this will develop into a philosophical discussion about what motivates gamblers and I am not going to go into it.
Goldfinger wrote:Howardmoon, I hear you. My point was that stuff like the blackjack charts raise gamblers expectations. The gambler doesn´t see it as a way of loosing less, he will see it as a great way of winning.But this will develop into a philosophical discussion about what motivates gamblers and I am not going to go into it.
Ah yes, sorry I didn’t follow. Yes I agree.
I think also that emphasises my original point even more – if there are gamblers out there who would think that basic strategy will enable them to win, imagine what they’d think when shown the OP’s Craps site. They’d absolutely think that it was their key to riches.
howardmoon wrote:Of course I have nothing against basic strategy – and if there was a strategy that really meant you could win (beat the HA), then I’d have nothing against that either
But the latter doesn’t exist, so what I take issue with is any site that claims it does exist.
You can get a postitive player expectation with some variations of video poker.
Really though, yeah, it’s usually a “How can I take longer to hit zero?” sort of issue.
To be fair to the person making the offer, he did say…
pacificsun1 wrote:I’ll program it anyway you want. Update it anytime you want. Use any links you want.Sounds like there’s some wiggle room to do it responsibly, or be more in-depth about what it is, what it isn’t, why it might help, and why it might not.
Oneguy2nv wrote:You can get a postitive player expectation with some variations of video poker.Fair point
I should say “there’s no way to alter the inherent edge of the game”.Quote:Sounds like there’s some wiggle room to do it responsibly, or be more in-depth about what it is, what it isn’t, why it might help, and why it might not.Trouble is, the whole premise is flawed. His offer boils down to “Sell a system for beating craps and people will sign up to try it.” If you want to be responsible you can’t do that because you know no such system exists. So you can’t really use any of his material without admitting “this makes no difference to the outcome at all”
Perhaps he should have just sold himself as a bespoke flash designer – that could have some merit. For example you could put together a demo showing how craps works, explaining the different bet types, and then say “now you try, maybe you will hit big!” That would be honourable, creative, and might boost deposit numbers.
I don’t understand why you wouldnt just do what I do and put the dynamic games right on your website using the affiliate tools that have been provided by online casinos?
See what I mean on my casino games page.
Nothing man made can be random. Humans can not program theories of complexity nor chaos only nature can produce complex systems. How a African flapping its’wings affects the weather in North America is complex and chaotic, therefore quite random. The variables in calculating such a collapse would be infinate.
No matter what you think of this concept, RNG is a fallacy. Sure the house has the edge always. For this reason how can one say the games are random? Is there a legit way of increasing your odds?
I was attracted to this idea for several reasons.
1. The program is in flash, always a good thing.
2. One of the most successful money making sites operates on this same principle.
3. I do not beleive in RNG
4. practice before you play approach converts wellIs this Idea deceptive giving false hope to players? Based on what I have stated I don’t think so.greek39
To sum it up, there is no way that an online casino would even have a game that can be beaten. It just wouldn’t make any sense whatsoever. They are in the business for the money and we all know that the excuse of “entertainment” is the only reason that casinos are even allowed to exist. If it was a business of “just give us your money” where a player sits at a table and hands over a dollar for every 3 minutes that pass, nobody would come and play.
Basically, the computer ensures that the casino will win in the long run. Even every blackjack hand online is “reshuffled” before the next hand, in order to prevent any type of computer created card counting algorithm.
Dan
greek39 wrote:Nothing man made can be random. Humans can not program theories of complexity nor chaos only nature can produce complex systems. How a African flapping its’wings affects the weather in North America is complex and chaotic, therefore quite random. The variables in calculating such a collapse would be infinate.Not knowing variables in a calculation and calling something random are two different things. The fact that we can’t measure or understand those variables doesn’t really make it random.
Probability theory is just mathematics to give us a framework to make better decisions based on possible outcomes. Not only can nothing man made really be random, but you could make that point that nothing… ever… at all is random. The only way ( I know of ) that you get around it is by the existence of a soul with nothing controlling it. We make up numbers to help us understand the world. Probability theory is part of those numbers we make up. Without souls, everything we know of, a human included, is made of chemical reactions that would be quantifiable with enough information.
greek39 wrote:Sure the house has the edge always. For this reason how can one say the games are random?I probably can’t do a good job of explaining this in a short time. We’d call a coin flip random, at 50% for heads and 50% tails. If you add a little weight to one side, it might be 60% for heads and 40% for tails. (Think of loaded dice) The coin flip would still be random. The probabilities you would assign to each outcome don’t have to be even. Random and even are not the same. Random can have a different probability distribution for several events. The above scenario would have you betting heads every time. In a casino, the only bet available to you is tails.
greek39 wrote:3. I do not beleive in RNGVegas is still a city because of them. You can say that numbers aren’t real, probability theory isn’t real, and RNGs aren’t true, but their real world applications have been demonstrated repeatedly.
Let´s take this one step further. Why are all these things valid? Because the majority of people believes they are valid and act accordingly – welcome to constructivism!
On a different note. Pacificsun reports these winning percentages at the end of his tutorial. Where are they coming from? If he obtained them through his own trial it must have cost him dearly.
I can´t be bothered to check up on this but is the max bet at all these casinos he talks about as high as $31 ?
Talking about the $31, it´s quite convenient his “strategy” urges players to go as high as this. Guaranteed high losses.I´m being knitpicky here but he reports all these winning percentages at all these casinos and then he takes you to a monaco gold download which is not on the list.
Jeece … it’s like a freaking hornets nest. I’m appreciate of those who have commented favorably on my offer. I’m also appreciate of some of the other comments that have not been so favorable. I can handle it and I don’t expect anything that’s “different” not to be attacked. Except for the guy that called me a liar …thanks to all.
This wasn’t posted to be interpreted as anything but a money maker and that’s what it is. No kidding …. this makes money …if you don’t want to make money tha’ts OK with me….but I’m giving everyone a free shot at it….
http://crapsschool.com/capDemo.html
I’ll say it again real loud THIS WILL MAKE MONEY FOR YOU !
That can’t be wrong.I lived in a casino for 10 years … I know craps inside and out.
There is a definite statistical advantage playing the “Don’t”. You can compound this advantage with the “Progressive Don’t Strategy” and that’s the basis for this promotion. So do I spin it … ? Absolutely …in flash very tightly and well done…. It’s just a different avenue of scoring players. It’s not normal ….That’s why it works.I don’t make a guarantee people will win. I teach them something and give them an opportunity to test it. It’s there choice to play. But I’m giving them an advantage if they decide to. I slept alright last night.
I was up late though trying to work out some kinks…Sorry D ….44 are you still mad at me ….?
Do you want make some money …. ?
I’m not hiding 1-800-644-2201
e-mail: pacificsun@iprimus.comYes betting the Don’t is the best bet (it loses you the least)
You can’t compound that advantage with your strategy. Your strategy does nothing. That is the problem with your page – it promises something it cannot deliver, namely an advantage. Your progressive strategy provides no advantage – if it does, I advise you to either a) use it yourself to make money at casinos and/or b) take The Wizard Of Odds up on his $20k challenge – if you can prove your betting strategy increases your odds at Craps, he will pay you $20k. Good money eh? If it works.
I never denied that your page makes money for the affiliate. People who sell “get rich quick” schemes, “beat the house at roulette” ebooks and “cure cancer” pills also make good money. That doesn’t mean it’s ethical or moral.
This is just a friendly discussion. Am in, or at least willing to give it a try. I will have to do some changes to my sites. Once done I will give you a PM.
Sir,
You don’t understand craps (or life)
The Casino has a statistical advantage on every single roll of the dice….every single bet….the odds are in favor of the Casino. Are some bets better than others…? You betcha but I don’t encourage anyone to play bad bets.
Also ….I assume you are in this forum to benefit financially through gambling.
It seems wrong for you to make moral judgements of me. Remember …you are living in a glass house.
pacificsun1 wrote:Sir,You don’t understand craps (or life)
The Casino has a statistical advantage on every single roll of the dice….every single bet….the odds are in favor of the Casino. Are some bets better than others…? You betcha but I don’t encourage anyone to play bad bets.
Also ….I assume you are in this forum to benefit financially through gambling.
It seems wrong for you to make moral judgements of me. Remember …you are living in a glass house.
I’m confused.
I agree of course that in every single bet the odds are in favour of the house – I have said so thoughout this thread.
Are you saying therefore that your strategy makes no difference? That the player will still lose the same amount whether or not he uses this strategy?
If you are saying the player DOES benefit from your strategy, please could you provide some proof and also indicate if you will be taking The Wizard Of Odds up on his $20k challenge. As I say, if you can prove your strategy works, he will pay you $20k – if you can’t, you pay him $20k.
If you are saying the player DOES NOT benefit from your strategy, could you please explain how it is ethical to indicate that the player will benefit? Is this not mis-selling? Misleading? Or indeed outright lying?
I am here to make money from gamblers. But, like most affiliates on this forum, I do that by presenting them with accurate and honest information. I know that I’ll still make money doing that, because the casino always wins and therefore I always win.
However you seem to think that the best way to make money is to lie to your players – by suggesting that your system will improve their odds when you know full well that it won’t.
I may be confused, I still don’t understand whether you think your strategy works or not. I say again – if it does, you can make $20k from WOO and potentially millions by just using it yourself.
If it doesn’t work, please justify using terms such as “statistically vulnerable” and “Random sequence is not programmed in an internet casino. The software simply delivers winning percentage to the casino. This fact creates the vulnerability exploited by the system”.
Aren’t those just lies? And therefore aren’t you selling by deception?
I deceive no-one. I sell entertainment, and gamblers use my site because they want some fun and because they hope for a big win. And some of them do win. But in the long run they will all lose, and I do not suggest anything else.
Sir,
I’M TEACHING PLAYERS A WAY TO MAKE A BET ON A CRAP TABLE THAT GIVES THEM THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO WIN. IF THEY SHOULD LOSE THAT BET …IT’S A SAD STORY …BUT THAT’S WHY IT’S CALLED GAMBLING.
But Sir …No matter how you look at it or try to place yourself above me … you’re no better than me.
Remember… You are living in a glass house.
