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[Anonymous]

Poker Affiliate / Poker Room

1. We do NOT carry over negative balances. An affiliate can never ever be in debt to us after a jackpot. If the house pays a big jackpot your affiliate account can go into negative, and if the negative balance is not turned positive before the payout, you will not get a casino payout that specific time. After that the balance is back to zero, no negative balance is carried over to the next period.

Note also that an affiliate can have a positive balance on poker which will be paid out even if the casino holds a negative balance. Poker and Casino is handled separately.

2. The winning player is not removed from the account.

3. The webmaster does not have to request a non-negative carryover agreement. This is automatic.

4. There are no restrictions.

http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/poker-affiliate-negative-carry-over-rules.14536.html

[Anonymous]

Hi there,

Well I have got the feeling that I could bring some more comments to the topic, so there it is:

1) No

2) No

3) No

4) Yes

Well, allow me to express my thinking about that topic:
1) My opinion is that each casino has simply some amount of overturn ready to be paid to affiliates or to cover direct marketing expenses. This is a top management decision and I would estimate that this “pile” of money can be pretty the same in all casinos as they run pretty same business, I am not taking into the account someone minimizing his own profit and taking high risk to be quickly screwed out of business if there are coming some external “difficulty” factors (legislation changes or hassle with credit card processing, just to name some examples). Then the affiliate manager has to use this same “pile” of money in the most effective manner, to manage the right affiliate marketing with this “the same” percentage in other words. Then majority of them prefers to do NOT carry negative balance, because it could not keep to motivate the affiliate to bring players next month, because he/she can get the felling that the negative balance must be worked out at first. Then affiliate has to pay monthly bills as I or somebody other also does, so the casinos are trying to decrease the risk of win/loss fluctuation impact on affiliate earnings so that they receive more steady income flow. I would logically estimates that those casino which DOES carry negative balance could bring a little bit more money to affiliates in the longer run, it is all about the risk share.
2) No, and according to my opinion it would be a pure nonsense, player winning one month can loose over next month, so why to pull him out? And what the player keeps playing? Well they have to win sometimes. What might sometimes happen is just vice versa that some “unassigned” players are assigned to some affiliates. It might be the result of some dispute regarding the mechanism of affiliate tracking or simply marketing method used, but is based on some concrete business discussion/deal between the affiliate and the casino according to my experience.
3) No, it does not make sense.
4) Let assume, there is somebody trying to make the following marketing to casino players: “Get the bonus, play and if you win take the winning, if you loose go to your bank and fill in for the charge back!”. Well that guy would have the negative balance each month J Probably not a good partner for any casino.
What the short resume might be: my opinion is that affiliates could consider the risk he/she can/cannot share. Low risk “solution” might be a good CPA, but again the CPA amounts are often handled on the individual base. And the total income calculation in the middle or longer run (may be even one year) could be the preferred method of selection between different affiliate programs. The points mentioned in this thread alone without knowing the exact percentages and policy for charge backs, and so on are from my point of view just a part of “affiliate marketing tactics” and they will not tell what the real middle term income might be.

John Lancelet
GigaSlot.com

[Anonymous]

Excellent replies John!

Not carrying over negative balances isn’t an easy decision, and can be a risk. It’s not an easy decision…

In case of chargebacks, as other program managers said, the problem is different, and I agree that something must be done. I’m mostly referring to negative balance due to winnings, not all other cases.

In my business I pay to people that work for me, whether I loose or win money in that month. If I pay them only when I win, they quit working.
The same goes for affiliate programs. If they work, and month after month the negative balance is there, they just move to another program. That isn’t good for you.

So, I accept any worse month, and keep in mind the overall business.
Sometimes I loose money 3 or 4 months in a row, just investing in my business, but I will then have other months of winnings.
Of course this must be carefully managed, or we aren’t successful, and we, as affiliates wish the best success to the programs we work with.

We are here for the same thing. Your success is my success :clapper:

[Anonymous]

Slotland

1) Do you carry over negative balance?

No, as our affiliate program doesn’t deduct anything from the affiliate profit that is based on the players real cash deposits.

2) Is the winning player removed from the account?

There is no reason to do that. Commission is counted only from the real cash deposits. The players withdrawals are our expenses.

3) The webmaster has to request a non negative carry over agreement?

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4) Any restriction?

Only if the webmaster brings more than 80% players that withdraw more than they deposit, we going to make some special deal with him.

http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/slotland-negative-carry-over-rules.14544.html

[Anonymous]

Gambling Wages

1) Do you carry over negative balance?
No, unless under extreme circumstances (check restrictions)

2) Is the winning player removed from the account?
No, we never remove ANY players.

3) The webmaster has to request a non negative carry over agreement?
No

4) Any restriction?
In the case of an affiliate only producing negative balances during an extended period of time, we reserve the right to carry over the negative balance.

http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/gambling-wages-negative-carry-over-rules.14518.html

Purple Lounge

1) No we do not carry over negative balance

2) At no point is a player ever removed from an affiliate account.

3) No you do not need to request this as we do not carry over the negative balance

http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/purple-lounge-negative-carry-over-rules.14538.html

[Anonymous]

VegasAffiliates

1) Do you carry over negative balance? No
2) Is the winning player removed from the account? No – but can do on request.
3) The webmaster has to request a non negative carry over agreement? No, it says ‘No Negative Carry Overs’ on our home page.
4) Any restriction? No

http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showthread.php?p=92712

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