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Donkeystyle – obviously you know nothing about this business, and I dont have the time or desire to explain the details to you. So I will just drop it right now – no reason to argue about it. People who are in this business know the Rev share value of 100-200 players a month.
Next time when you want to ask something – dont take it the wrong way if you dont like the answer.
Foots27 – I dont promote sportsbooks a lot, but what traffic I have, doesnt convert to much, maybe that’s why it’s hard to find good sportsbooks offering CPA deals. but out of 800K visitors – I would aproach a sportsbook for a CPA deal and retire very, very young :burnafatt
Here’s a good poker site that just sold all ads to GP.
Stupid, you didn’t address why my calculations are wrong or how long you’ve been in the business.
May i suggest you read this post before you continue to post.
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/please-help-us-keep-cap-a-positive-business-oriented-envrioment.12708.html?A website can make 70k+ a month from 200-250 quality visitors a day, now i’m talking quality here, from keywords like online casinos, online casino. Now a website that receives that amount could make 80k+ from mediasells but your losing players in the long run and a huge chance to make a lot more in rev share. Mediasells are good if you want to make some mega $$$ quickly and your confident that you can provide players and lots of them. I personally will stick with rev share because thats whats going to provide me with an income for a long time.
cyclone wrote:May i suggest you read this post before you continue to post.
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/please-help-us-keep-cap-a-positive-business-oriented-envrioment.12708.html?A website can make 70k+ a month from 200-250 quality visitors a day, now i’m talking quality here, from keywords like online casinos, online casino. Now a website that receives that amount could make 80k+ from mediasells but your losing players in the long run and a huge chance to make a lot more in rev share. Mediasells are good if you want to make some mega $$$ quickly and your confident that you can provide players and lots of them. I personally will stick with rev share because thats whats going to provide me with an income for a long time.
Keywords like “online casino”? I just checked that one. There’s only 112,000,000 competing sites for the keyword “online casino” in Google. If you can be in the top 10 of 112,000,000 competitors, then yes, there would be no doubt $70,000 a month is possible.
Donkeystyle wrote:Keywords like “online casino”? I just checked that one. There’s only 112,000,000 competing sites for the keyword “online casino” in Google. If you can be in the top 10 of 112,000,000 competitors, then yes, there would be no doubt $70,000 a month is possible.Online Casinos is a little better at only 44,800,000
Quite amazing because 3-4 years ago there were less than a million results for both terms and it was so easy to rank in the top 10, i think my first ever gambling aff site had only 50 or so link exchanges, now you need thousands of quality links and luck.[QUOTE=Originally Posted by Donkeystyle
Keywords like “online casino”? I just checked that one. There’s only 112,000,000 competing sites for the keyword “online casino” in Google. If you can be in the top 10 of 112,000,000 competitors, then yes, there would be no doubt $70,000 a month is possible.This is one of the misconceptions in SEO.
112 millions are “results”. Not competitors.
It means 112 millions of pages where the term “online casinos” is present.
Mainly there are unrelated sites, newspapers, linking pages etc.
It is very odd to find more than 500-1000 results per keyword at a given time in the SE’s.
Anyway those 1000-1500 are more than enough to make my life bitter.An Alexa 40,000 for a casino site is more than good.
People with Alexa bar installed are mainly webmasters so it is very hard to have good rankings if you’re targeting the general audience.I have been reading this thread and I am confused.
My site Free Football Picks just had its one year mark and we have had a total of 5 signups and 1 depositer (which admittedly has earned me a few hundred buck, but also happens to be one of my writers.)
We have great “original” content during the season.
We have had over 43,000 visitors
We have a PR of 4
and we rank fairly high for search on Free Football Picks
-Google is page 3
-Yahoo is Page 2
-MSN is page 1(this is recently)
What am I doing wrong?
Redleg wrote:I have been reading this thread and I am confused.My site Free Football Picks just had its one year mark and we have had a total of 5 signups and 1 depositer (which admittedly has earned me a few hundred buck, but also happens to be one of my writers.)
We have great “original” content during the season.
We have had over 43,000 visitors
We have a PR of 4
and we rank fairly high for search on Free Football Picks
-Google is page 3
-Yahoo is Page 2
-MSN is page 1(this is recently)
What am I doing wrong?
Are they 43k actual real visitors or a combination of spiders and real people? also you rank high for Free Football Picks, people would be more or less looking for exacly that, something for free. If you ranked high for a number of casino keywords such as, free casinos, free casino and so on then you would struggle to convert, avoid any keyword with the word FREE like the plague.
Quote:Google is page 3
-Yahoo is Page 2Being on page 2 and 3 won’t get you very far even for really competitive keywords, you need to be on page 1 to see real volumes of traffic.
When it comes to numbers, sports, poker, Bingo and casinos have totally different results.
I don’t know much about the sports…
I also don’t necessarily agree with any of the numbers brought up here.
It all depends on a lot of things, like the type of visitors, whether the promos you run match their ideas, even colors make a difference.
Well I understand your logic about using the word “free”.
However, Our concept is that most of the “pay for picks” handicappers are not really good and as my record shows:clapper: we do better than most of our competition and do it for free.
The strategy is that they come to us for the pick and then go to an online book to place the bet
Is that still seemed flawed?
Donkeystyle wrote:MD – “my new idea”? You can’t be serious. How do you think magazines work? The top 5 competitors in the sector i’m looking at all take paid advertising.
Where in my reply have you seen this “new idea”? I didn’t say it is a new idea. I did say “new system” but don’t judge me by my english pls.Donkeystyle wrote:You look at things as “your problem.” I look at it as I bring traffic, someone else can pay me to get in front of it. There are tons and tons of sites that work that way. For some reason you think affiliates are the only way. There are several very experienced people that would tell you other wise.
No i don’t see things as “your problem”. Vice versa, if you have high volumes of targeted gambling traffic or any other niche traffic someone will be interested in paying for and you are willing to sell, i wish you all the best and success.I don’t deny there are many sites that sell advertising this way. Everyone is entitled to decide how to earn his money.
Basically regarding your post, there are two options
1 – sell it to programs for X amount of money
2 – join an affiliate program, and earn an unknown amount of money.
Your approach was what turned my red lights on. You have aggressively attacked the affiliate program system and introduced it as:
Donkeystyle wrote:Affiliate programs are awesome for the casino, bad for the affiliateSay What?
Affiliate programs existed before the internet marketing has started and they are common all over the world. It is a marketing method that’s not dedicated to gambling as you know and i can assure you there are millions all over the world making a living from being salesmen, distributors or any other commission earners.I am not disqualifying you approach, what i am trying to say is that it’s only good if you have huge amounts of traffic in a steady manner. it can certainly provide you a steady high income.
On the other hand, there are affiliates that don’t get high traffic volumes. Yet, they do manage to send players and earn high income per their low traffic.
It’s not about quantity, It’s about QUALITY.
If you have targeted traffic AND you market the casino’s wisely.. you can earn 4,5 figures of a quite steady income within less than two years.
Moreover, during these two years you also establish higher amounts of traffic and earn more.Another thing you choose to discard in your post.
Affiliate programs were made by people – for people. Their start up commission modles are subject to negotiation in any given moment. If you have high volumes of converting traffic. You might be surprised to see the offered commission percentages for people with a greater potential than the average.Please consider there are many newbies here, people who have familes to provide. Why take the wind out of the sail?
