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Is there a reason we seem to be beating around the bush on this issue? Which are the programs we should be staying away from and which ones seem honest?
I’m sure the affiliates who have been making a good amount of money for a very long time know which affiliate programs seem to lose whales and run on an 85% of actual players programming scheme.
Our site’s managers have been talking with these affiliate managers for some time now and I can honestly say that we don’t trust any one of them 100%, not even the publicly traded companies.
I would love to hear some affiliate managers speak up on this issue. I would also love to hear some respected members of this community be honest about the real crap in this industry.
Imagine if an affiliate program was 100% legit, they might monopolize the internet! (Hint, hint)
Using a 3rd party such as ccbill.com or ibill.com to handle the affiliates, player tracking and the involved accounting seems perfect but IMHO is impossible to implement… at least not as it is today.
Those 3rd party solutions such as ccbil.com and ibill.com are a great solution for industries like the porn industry where a surfer wants to:
1. Pay a single payment or recurring payments for a product, service / membership period which carry a fixed price tag. The price will not be IMHO over $150.
2. Pay using a trustable credit card transactions processor.
In this scenario, the surfer visits the affiliate/seller site decides to buy and take his credit card out and pay using ccbill.com or ibill.com etc.
So far so good. These 3rd parties can even handle membership access to services according to the membership period that the surfer has paid for. Now everyone is happy.. the surfer.. the merchant.. and the affiliate. The surfer doesn’t know the seller and pays exactly for what he wants and needs.
When it comes to playing in a casino, this will not work.
A surfer that visit an affiliate site and decides he wants to play in a casino can many times be an impulsive person who got tempted by a promotion and is excited about enjoying it instantly. While carried away with his enthusiasm, both we the affiliates and the casino wants him to keep depositing and playing more and more and more and more.Credit cards are not always fast and easy to transfer big money to casinos because of a variety of possible restrictions… from government laws to daily withdrawal limits etc.
By allowing potential gamblers to deposit money easily into the casino account using a variety of reputable services such as Neteller, Money Bookers, Click2Pay and others, and by offering extra bonuses on deposits made by one of the CC alternatives WE ALL GAIN MORE!!!
By having In House accounting casinos can offer more incentives to players, transfer money easier and by that increase both the casino and the affiliates profit.
Moreover, the player deals directly with the casino.. it’s more personal.. it’s more trust building.. and therefor more profitable!!
I can see the light and its big. It would take someone very very smart to put it all together, but we are talking millions to whoever is smart enough to make it happen
I agree, and would be money rightfully earned since that person(s) would be doing a great favor to both the aff and the honestly sincere casino.
that said, many other points are well taken as to why this wouldn’t work. But I was just throwing it out there hoping greater minds than myself would/could find a way around the obstacles.
to get back to the flavor of this thread, as someone mentioned. The truth is that you can ask any 10 veterans of the industry and likely get 10 different answers. there have been suggestions of what is termed “selective shaving” which whether there is merit to that or not, it certainly seems possible simply due to the above reason mentioned.
I wish I could give a more definitive answer but there just at this time doesn’t seem to be a way of knowing 100%.
I wish you well in your endeavors and would suggest IMHO the best way of going about things is to spend some money and send some testers thru your links and at least that way you can eliminate the more obvious of the bunch of cheaters.
When I first started I was amazed at how many programs either didn’t respect affs enough to hide their cheating better, or else were just plain using incompentent tracking … but in either case it was pretty easy to find the worst of the bunch using the testing method.
However that was years ago and I feel certain things have become much more involved than simply just not showing signups, … disappearing whales comes to mind as an example and I don’t have an answer to that EXCEPT to say that you should try to stay in touch with your players as much as possible because if you catch a program NOT reporting income from a whale PLEASE waste no time making it public on this forum so the rest of us can dump that program pronto.
That’s the risk cheats take when not reporting income from whales because any smart aff would pay special attention to any such report simply due to the fact of the large amount of lost income involved and the seldomness of catching a program for that tactic.
The only way you will stop the shaving, the glass ceilings and missing whales
in this business is if the payments come first to us and we then give the
affiliate program their percentage of the proceeds.
:colgate:
than the problem would still exist, the other way around:P
aleph wrote:The only way you will stop the shaving, the glass ceilings and missing whalesin this business is if the payments come first to us and we then give the
affiliate program their percentage of the proceeds.
:colgate:
Lol, thats absolutely hilarious. I would go for that!
It would be hard to refrain from shaving the stats a bit :hehe:
would be hard to refrain from shaving the stats a bit
thus the problem we all face.
bb1webs wrote:thus the problem we all face.Imagine how hard it is NOT to shave when you have thousands of
affiliates. Could you ask for a better business model ?
Who says Christmas comes only once a year ? … LOL
:santa2:
Programs can cheat and like its mentioned in the this thread there is ways to avoid some losses.
We have special bonuses with a few casinos, if people sign up and expect to get a special bonus, they are always swift to contact us incase they haven’t received the correct bonus.
At programs where we can see all individual players, its easy to check if they have been placed under our account.
It all comes down to trust really! Like in any other business
Just my 2 cents.
Have a good weekend all :drink:
DonEriqe wrote:At programs where we can see all individual players, its easy to check if they have been placed under our account.:drink:
That’s acactly my point and thats why i also trust Partnerlogic the absolute most
Because you can see EVERY SINGLE players in stats and follow your big whales month after month.Where most other programs you just get a number like
you have 5 players playing this month.I think there is a very good reason partnerlogic is my best long time converter OFF ALL PROGRAMS after sending 1000’s of players to casino programs – I still have big whales from many years ago I can follow in the stats at partnerlogic.:clapper: :clapper:
You can even go inside intercasino lobby live time and see if your player are still playing
Other programs should do the same!
It is a very good program on the casino front! One of the best!
On poker its a problem since it makes rakeback schemes possible, so all programs have its upsides and downsides…
PS: Don’t want to start a rakeback talk – sorry if that will be the case :banger:
>>It is a very good program on the casino front! One of the best!<< Yes Partnerlogic casino is the best long time converter of all , I just wish more programs would do it the same way as partnerlogic do, so one can follow ones players/whales every day and every months. Lets hope other programs start do the same :cheers:
A few months ago I was doing some heavy advertising for Party Poker. I was getting a decent number of players a month, but more to the point, I was checking my stats every day like an obsessive compulsive webmaster because, well just because I am obsessive compulsive.
Anyway, one day I checked my stats and someone lost about $14,000 at the casino. The next day another $20,000 or so was lost, the next day the same thing. Then, the guy disappeared never to be seen again. No big deal, I still get a big paday that month.
The first day of the next month I checked my stats for the previous month and it showed $70,000 in monies lost, however, my commission was only for $3k or so. I was outraged. I emailed my aff. manager several times. She took a week to get back to me. When she finally got back to me she said there was an error in the stats program and she had no record of what I was talking about. When I went back to check my stats, sure enough the $70k was gone and it then said $12k, which is what I got paid commission on.
Of course, I cut off all advertising for them, but here is the interesting thing. A couple months later that same aff. manager wrote me about a new deal she wanted, so out of curiosity I went back to that one month in their stats archive and it showed $70k monies taken in, but only my $3k commission. I wrote my aff. manager again telling her that I will advertise for them again when I get my commission for the $70k that it showed in the stats. She said ‘i thought we already talked about this, it was a mistake.’ When I checked the stats again, sure enough the $70k was not there and has not been since. However, I was smart enough to take a screenshot of when it showed the $70k that last time. However, I have no idea what to do with it.
Any comments?
