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If they were to ban the domains, it would be hell. Every gambling company uses a .com.
Would they ban partypoker.com bwin.com 888.com? It doesn’t make sense.I seem to be lost here – but the new law will be to prohibit banks accepting gambling transactions – not banning online gambling , so why should we be worried about whether they are going to seize our sites or not?
topboss wrote:I seem to be lost here – but the new law will be to prohibit banks accepting gambling transactions – not banning online gambling , so why should we be worried about whether they are going to seize our sites or not?you can go to jail for aiding and abbeding by having an html link to a casino.
I seem to be lost here too…
If you registered a .com domain but you did it with a registrar based outside USA (or you transferred it to this registrar) – will it be seized too?
If your links are like this: http://www.yourdomain.com/tracking_script.php?id=100 and then are redirecting to the casino – will they be considered illegal?
If your site is registered in russia, but you own it, your the target not the site.
Location of server or registration has no meaning.
Also intent to link to the casino is the issue, you can have 50 hops to re-directs but in the end you link to X…
There a lot of grey, and im no expert but that is what I see it as.
The language in the new law seems to place the burden on U.S. banks U.S. and credit card companies.
The new law does not say anything about ISP filtering. It is not going to become illegal to simply visit an online gambling site. It is not illegal to sign up for a free account, either. It is not illegal to own a .com that provides information about gambling, or how to play poker, etc.
The new law, as I said before, appears to make it illegal for U.S. banks and U.S. credit card companies to allow deposits to be made to online gambling establishments. The Wire Act was NOT updated. Repeat: The Wire Act was NOT updated. I think it’s important to remember that.
At this point, the burden should fall on the banks and credit card companies. 888, Party, and PartnerLogic (in my opinion) should not be doing the banks’ jobs for them, 270 days before the banks “need” to start taking any action. The best thing to do, I think, is to LET THE BANKS deal with this. Scrutinizing every single transaction might very well be an impossible task for the banks and credit card companies.
I strongly urge all online casino/poker/sports companies to take a “wait and see” approach. The law will not need to be enforced immediately. Once the bill is signed, the regulators have 270 days to come up with a way to deal with this. And like I said, it might not even be possible for them to take on something of this magnitude.
Wait and see, please. :huh:
First you hear that it’s a bill to disallow the banking industry from sending funds to online casinos from U.S citizens.
Then you hear that it doesn’t criminalize online gambling or the affiliate industry.
Then you get told that under this bill, online gambling sites (affiliate sites included) will likely be blocked, eventhough I haven’t read anywhere yet that the hosting companies will disallow affiliate sites. What’s the point of allowing us to host a site, if they are going to block it in the first place ???
Then you get advised to move your site to the U.K or such, and possibly also transfer it to another registrar, but then you are also told that dot com names still belongs to the U.S and can be seized, even if the site is transferred to a foreign registrar. So what is the point of transferring it to another registrar then ???
You are told that the U.S government doesn’t want U.S citizens to gamble online, so you start to target the non-U.S market, but then you are told that despite the isps blocking the site in the U.S and the banks refusing transactions from the casinos, you are still breaking the law because you have links to gambling sites, eventhough they are intended for the non-U.S market only.
This bill leaves a LOT open to interpretation. I for one will wait and see exactly how this plays out before I start spending 1000s of dollars to transfer registrars and hosting accounts.
What a load of crap!!!
Imagine the Govt seizing thousands of top domain names on the grounds that they are illegal, only to use these sites for it’s own benefit once online gambling becomes legalised in the U.S. So in 5 years time or so, if online gambling becomes legalized in the U.S, you could look up who owns domains such as casino.com and gambling.com and find that they are owned by the U.S Govt who is now profiting from them.
Fully agree with you Dave, we all need to see what happens once the dust settles. Unfortunately the PLCs have to do what they must in the interm, and we can all understand that.
Sarafina
I somewhat agree with you but you just have to try and view things through the twisted logic of government operatives.
If you have a website hosted in the USA even if you are targetting international clients they can claim that you have the site hosted in the USA because you are targetting Americans (even if it’s because it’s cheaper) I have been in court and you have to realize the judge is probably half senile and doesn’t understand anything about the internet and they will side with whatever the government claims. This is why every extra layer of protection that you can get is important.
Imagine the Govt seizing thousands of top domain names on the grounds that they are illegal, only to use these sites for it’s own benefit once online gambling becomes legalised in the U.S. So in 5 years time or so, if online gambling becomes legalized in the U.S, you could look up who owns domains such as casino.com and gambling.com and find that they are owned by the U.S Govt who is now profiting from them.
Totally agreed! I said the same thing, but about Payment system serving online gambling transactions. Neteller by US Gov. in 2 years :woohoo:
