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I hope everybody got a chance to see these non-partisan studies last month:
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_9_29_04.html
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_10_21_04.html#1
Nice links Jeff….
interesting…
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/21/60minutes/main618896.shtml
Best Regards,
Mark
Slavery Map: http://www.learner.org/biographyofamerica/prog10/maps/images/map_10_a.gif
2004 elections map:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/americas/04/vote_usa/img/map_51.gifJesusland (courtesy of WagerProfit’s Jeff (Jeff, you’re da bomb, this map is priceless!))
http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2004/110304.asp
if only it was funny
There are some very sad aspects to this.
I talked to my old friend Sandee yesterday, who suffers from advanced Parkinsons.
To her, the election was a death sentence. She can now look forward slowly dying over the next 4 years or so.
Stem cell research will not happen now – and this is a death sentence for many, many people.
California actually took a bold initiative towards stem cell research, so at least there is that.
Originally posted by antoine
California actually took a bold initiative towards stem cell research, so at least there is that.I will have to tell her that – she needs something to hold on to. Thanks Antoine
wake up and smell the coffee my friends you were
Bushwacked again !
multiple this machine by a few thousand to get the real picture
of how America is no better than a banana republic.
Originally posted by islandmaan
I think the trailer trash comment is the most profound in this thread. Look at the states Kerry held, CA, NY, DC and most of the east coast, unfortunatly there are more uneducated than educated folks in the USA.I have lived outsid the US for 7 years now and see what the rest of the world sees and the US is an embarrasment. Don’t have any desire to return and it will only get worse over the next 4 years.
Brian
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Here in Europe, we see Bush as evil himself, a person with _very_ conservative opinions. A man that have killed hundreds of people on death row but is against abortion… a paradox to me. In the EU, we have recently voted no to an italian politician because of his strange and conservative opinions (he is against abortion and homosexuality), this is what you have voted for.
After reading Michael Moores book and realizing to what extent the republicans are willing to go to win, I cannot even believe that the election was fair (e.g. the companies behind the election machines are strongly connected to Bush etc…). How on earth can people vote for Bush, the biggest liar there is? 9/11 <=> Saddam!?! Yeah right.
In our country, we had a poll about the election, and 83% voted for Kerry… say no more…
Nov 2nd 2004 will go in the history books as sad day…
See a Florida voting machine in action.
http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Nov_04/041104_perspective.html
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Originally posted by BigKahuna
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Here in Europe, we see Bush as evil himself, a person with _very_ conservative opinions. A man that have killed hundreds of people on death row but is against abortion… a paradox to me.I never understood this argument. So your arguing abortion is murder and bush wants to save these infants but at the same time he’s killing people on death row? So the argument here is hes allowing some people to live but at the same time hes murdering others?
How can one even argue this? Surly one can’t compare a death row inmate to a baby!
But what I really don’t understand is, if you make a statement like this than how can you vote, or fight for a candidate who is pro-abortion? You’ve just admitted that abortion is murder. Very few arguments can be made why one would vote against somebody who is pro-life.
Maybe somebody can better explain to me what I’m missing in bigkahunas argument?
Originally posted by bluebook
I never understood this argument. So your arguing abortion is murder and bush wants to save these infants but at the same time he’s killing people on death row? So the argument here is hes allowing some people to live but at the same time hes murdering others?How can one even argue this? Surly one can’t compare a death row inmate to a baby!
But what I really don’t understand is, if you make a statement like this than how can you vote, or fight for a candidate who is pro-abortion? You’ve just admitted that abortion is murder. Very few arguments can be made why one would vote against somebody who is pro-life.
Maybe somebody can better explain to me what I’m missing in bigkahunas argument?
I’m so glad you brought this up. I’ve been wanting to express myself on this issue, and your statement and question gives me an opportunity to do so.
1- I have yet to see a man who has ever given birth to a child.
2 – It seems that most people have forgotten the real reason why abortions were made legal in the first place.
When abortions were illegal, many, many young girls were routinely brought into emergency rooms bleeding to death from botched attempts to self-abort using coat-hangers and other objects. Others would take all manner of poisons becauseh someone told them it would cause a miscarriage. Still others went to people in back rooms who made a tidy living from performing kitchen table abortions. Many girls died from these attempts. Others were left unable to have children.
Now you can believe what you want about whether abortions are “killing babies”, but the fact is: You can’t force someone to have a baby if they don’t want to! If they are willing to die rather than have it. And many, many were doing just that!!
You can make all the laws in the world about it, but that won’t stop it. We’ve been there before. The carnage in young lives was too high. The will of the people was that it was better to allow legal abortions safely performed, than go through these young girls risking death!
See, it’s not the boys whose lives are in danger. And boys aren’t going to stop trying to have unprotected sex, regardless of the consequences. They are just going to walk away.
Facts are facts.
So you have to choose which you are going to sacrifice. Young girls dying, maybe your daughter, at some future time, or safe, legal abortions.
It’s time for people to figure out that you cannot make people do what you think they should, with their own bodies. It is truly not your business!
So killing is not killing, there are “degrees” of killing. But bombing abortion clinics and shooting doctors, is that better than performing abortions?
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Originally posted by bluebook
I never understood this argument. So your arguing abortion is murder and bush wants to save these infants but at the same time he’s killing people on death row? So the argument here is hes allowing some people to live but at the same time hes murdering others?How can one even argue this? Surly one can’t compare a death row inmate to a baby!
But what I really don’t understand is, if you make a statement like this than how can you vote, or fight for a candidate who is pro-abortion? You’ve just admitted that abortion is murder. Very few arguments can be made why one would vote against somebody who is pro-life.
Maybe somebody can better explain to me what I’m missing in bigkahunas argument?
First of all, I have not said anything about abortion being murder, but I believe that is what those who are againts abortions are argumenting. The point I’m trying to make is that if you are againts killing innocent infants (i.e. against abortion), how can you believe that captial punishment is any better, when it has been proved that there are lots of innocent people who have been killed and are currently sitting on death row?
I agree to what Amateur is stating, in the end, you cannot force anyone to give birth to a child, this is what many countries belive is a human right to decide over.
