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1-online-casino.com is not the same as online-casino.com
You make this as a statement of fact. I was wondering what qualified you to make such a statement like it is a fact.
Snide comment?
You laugh and say you only care what Google or Yahoo think. Well – last time I checked they werent giving away any secrets. I belive there are several webmasters here who can attest to the fact that I have contributed many of my seo tactics and “secrets” to this particular webmaster community asking nothing in return. Im also willing to back it up with REAL results.
I questioned your ability to make such the statement quoted above simply because I have no idea who you are. And judging from the fact that you dont want to share your sites Im wondering how anyone can put much stock in what you have to say. The world is full of people who claim to know what they are talking about. A very small percentage actually do.It’s also important to keep in mind that the SEs change their algorithms often.
In the long term, these “exact match” domains may be the best way to give customers relevance, they are rare and limited, and they may gain preeminence.
The price ain’t going down.
Why not? Didnt you start this thread claiming that you had started the price at 1.75 mill? Then dropped it to 10% of that?
I was a sales manager for 10 years before doing this and if one of my salepeople dropped their pants like that I would have fired them.And any customer who purchases a item on a “90% off list sale” is stupid and asking to get fleeced.
IMO you have as much chance of getting 175k as 1.75mill so why not try 17,500? Or 1750 for that matter. Hell – didnt Arkyt say he would give ya $50?
It’s also important to keep in mind that the SEs change their algorithms often.
True but speculative. Certainly not worth a 175k bet.
Earlier in the thread you stated that you knew the “players” in the industry and that saved you time and effort in finding bidders. Then a few posts down you state that your negotiations have stalled at 140k and your ask your colleagues for the top 10 operators. SO which is it? Do you know who they are or not?:o
I think Arkyt hit it on the nose earlier. Sounds like [censored] but like I said – good luck with that/
Originally posted by dvs007
You make this as a statement of fact. I was wondering what qualified you to make such a statement like it is a fact.I see, you can state as fact that “The reality is that I could take 1-online-casino.cn and do ANYTHING you can do with that online-casino.com”, but when someone states an opinion you don’t agree with, you decide they don’t have a right to.
Aside from being puzzled at how anyone could make these posts in the same thread, I think I’ll skip your measuring contest. I posted my opinion, and my understanding of the reality of a situation. I couldn’t care less if you disagree. Other people can and should make their own judgements.
Yeah… thats what I thought..
The reality is that I could take 1-online-casino.cn and do ANYTHING you can do with that online-casino.com
I make this statement as fact because I can prove it.
Your statement would hold true if this was the beginning of the internet and there werent a ton of hyphenated keyword loaded domainsIt’s discouraging that some of the postings in this thread have such a negative tone.
Candor is appreciated, but nobody likes to be ridiculed or called a liar –especially when they are telling the truth.
Yes, I did happen to have contacts with a big player in this business. Yes, we negotiated for a while, as I wrote.
Truth is always stranger than fiction.
Yet, at this point, the subject domain still remains available and I am seeking to expand my contacts.
Does anyone know the top 10 biggest online casino operators?
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Does anyone know the top 10 biggest online casino operators?
If you don’t who they are, you have no clue on what to price this
domain because you do not understand the opportunity cost
as mentioned by Fergie and Antoine.
:rolleyes:
Post your website on http://www.afternic.com You’ll have an auction war and then get the fair market value.
may want to consider http://www.greatdomains.com as well
they used to be good many moons ago.
:rolleyes:
Originally posted by dvs007
I make this statement as fact because I can prove it.
Your statement would hold true if this was the beginning of the internet and there werent a ton of hyphenated keyword loaded domainsSo prove it. Your statement is literally impossible, if only for geolocation reasons for starters. You can’t do the same thing, today, with a .cn that you can with a .com. It’s not currently an enormous difference, but it is one. The same with co.uk. The engines treat you differently. (poker.com has almost no algorithmic virtues besides its domain name, but is worth six figures at least while poker.cn is not.) Less clear is their signal weighting of more than one hyphen.
The idea that poker.com and multiple-hyphen-poker-domain.cn start on the same footing would be absurd. In other words, domain name has some value.
As usual with these discussions though people look for black and white answers, and they seldom exist. Many small factors create the whole picture. Exact match is a small advantage. Non-com tld is a small negative. Multiple hyphens is a potential negative. One word exact matches are more than a little valuable.
But this is straying from the topic of the thread. He’s trying to sell a domain. It would seem a nice idea if people would comment on their opinion of the value of his domain and their reasons.
‘But this is straying from the topic of the thread. He’s trying to sell a domain. It would seem a nice idea if people would comment on their opinion of the value of his domain and their reasons’
I think we’ve done that. I gave my honest opinion concerning the value of the domain name. I think it’s worth $250, and that’s pushing it. I would not pay a penny more.
As for the value of a domain like poker.com it goes beyond search engines. Type ins would be common, and branding would be easy.
There have been many casinos with the name online-casino.com and those perform the worst. You cant brand a name like that. I rather have something memorable like captaincookscasino or riverbellecasino. Those are names that an image can be centered around. Not only an image, but a theme.
Ever hear of netgamingcasino.com ? Probably not, they had to shut down because of netgaming.com The reputations were getting confused. Neither casino are very successful, part of it is the software, but they are also not very memorable. Imagine how easy it would be to confuse a casino called online-casino with some other casino called casino-online.
ps: while I dont make it my business to sell domain names, I have sold a few like netstorm.com
“I rather have something memorable”
I agree, but the domain still has some value… even if it may be $250.
Also, remember that the owner doesn’t need to brand this particular domain. An argument could be made that the name is better for a portal type site, rather than an actual casino… some type of site that wants visitors only once, and then they go to someplace with a cool name like starluck. “Best use” may not be the most obvious use. This one could actually be kind of fun to test and play around with.
An argument could even be made that the domain could be used to create the hub of a themed network. With a lot of anchor text with the words “online casino” pointing at it, it could make itself an authoritative site on online casinos, and then link to a small network of actual casinos, which would benefit from its authority vote. It would not even need to rank well itself in this case. I’m not saying that is its best use either, but suppose you had a site like wizardofodds on it. The site would have highly focused anchor text, which would make its theme obvious, but would also score for its academic-like authority, and it could transfer both sorts of points to its brandable partner sites.
Originally posted by Classics
So prove it. …………………………..The idea that poker.com and multiple-hyphen-poker-domain.cn start on the same footing would be absurd. In other words, domain name has some value.
As usual with these discussions though people look for black and white answers.
In the hopes of preventing an escalation in this argument between you and DVS, let me point something out that you have missed, Classics.
DVS didn’t say domain name has no value. What he is saying is that it isn’t necessary to have the key word in the domain name in order to achieve top SERP on the key work/phrase of choice. A talented SEO’er can achieve great success without a keyworded domain name.
His proof is his high success with SERPS for his websites.
Hope this helps.
*ducks*
My apoligies to Classics for both my recent bad temper and cockiness. I was, in fact, basically saying what Fergie was kind enough to sum up. I just may not be the best at conveying it. I also just used. CN because, well I dont know, I wanted to. In retrospect you are correct. The absense of the .com would hurt a little. As would the addition of the 1 at the beginning. I still dont feel that online-casino.com is worth more than a few bucks but after reading Classics most recent comments on SEO I no longer doubt he knows of what he speaks. Again – Classics – I hope you’ll accept my apoligy. And thanks for that Fergie.
