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I remember that case too. Canada has already had a few gambling cases in the courts and they are always about the government getting a share of the money .I think we will be ok mostly because of the Mohawk Indians , look at the mess that housing developement has cost , 100 million dollars later and nobody will cross the lines (different group but it goes back to the native indian rights established in canada).Mohawk /Kahnawake will win against the Canadian Government so they need to move neteller on the indian reserve LOL
Good point move neteller onto a Mohawk /Kahnawake reserve in Canada. No government can intervene with their soverienty. Good point casinobonusguy if the Canadian Government starting pestering this band sparks would fly. After all they own half of Quebec I think.
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yes that is why Quebec seperating would never fly .I think we all need to get ahnawake to build some condos on the reserve then we are all safe lol
You know what casinobonusguy I would love too see any government go after the Mohawks or their sovereign territory. The U.S nor the Canadian government wouldn’t even stand a chance. I like it I have always been pro Native. Throughout history the have been given the shaft by us white folk.
Integrity wrote:Gawd I cannot believe I am letting myself get drawn in to such a futile debate while Rome is burning, but I don’t understand how otherwise educated people can believe the utterly silly things I’m reading here.If a license is required to operate a poker room and this idiot decided to thumb his nose at that requirement he deserves to burn along with Rome!
The debate as to whether poker is chance or skill game has no place in the debate of failing to meet business requirements in the UK. If they told me I could operate a casino affiliate site with a license, I’d be the first in line.
As for this setting a precedent that could carry over into our sector, jeewiz I think Uncle Sam is on top of that one already.
IMO poker is clearly based in chance. Sure if you are skilled in the game you can put the odds of chance into your favor, but even then it still relies on chance. If it didn’t youd have the same guys sitting at the final table each and every game.
Axl,
The problem with this thread was miscommunication. Some are agruing the license issue… some the skill vs chance issue… and those subjects have nothing to do with one another.
There is no debate that he needed a license… so we can get past that.
There is no debate that there is some chance and some skill to poker… so we can get past that.
However, when it comes to serious poker, you must understand there’s always an element of chance to anything that requires skill. To chalk the whole game up to pure blind luck is ignoranance of the game… sorry, friend :hehe:
Anything that relies on a random event to determine it’s outcome I consider a game of chance.
I don’t beieve that’s debatable. It’s certainly not what I’m talking about.
Integrity wrote:To chalk the whole game up to pure blind luck is ignoranance of the game… sorry, friend :hehe:Give me the best player in the world. Give me a bad player who understands nothing. The bad player shall chase every hand until the river.
What would the conclusion be? Would any skill and/or experience the best player has make any difference at all in this game? I dont think so, I figure it would be based 100% in luck of the draw.
Since the idiot does not understand odds he doesn’t play them; they see every river card so skill is in no way a condition met in this particular game. Over the long run I would expect that both will win and both will lose the same amount.
I’m not saying that a level of skill can’t exist after the deal, but I have seen more people win solely on luck than I ever have based all on skill. With that understanding I have no problem with the game being labeled a game of chance and not skill.
axl wrote:The bad player shall chase every hand until the river.See… this is my point so beautifully illustrated. Your reasoning is completely backwad. :eh:
axl wrote:Would any skill and/or experience the best player has make any difference at all in this game? I dont think so, I figure it would be based 100% in luck of the draw.See… you think the best player would draw down to the river on every hand? You think he would just shove all his chips in on every hand just like the idiot? Hell, if you’re gonna do that why not just shoot craps… then you’re playing a real game of chance.
axl wrote:Since the idiot does not understand odds he doesn’t play them…Thanks for proving my point! The fact that you can learn the odds, fold hands when it’s to your benefit, raise when it’s to your benefit, and do all of this while reading opponents and calculating odds proves it’s a game of skill more than chance.
You reason that some dolt sits down at a poker table and starts pushing his chips in every hand is even money against players who understand odds and how to apply the… and that’s just a silly thing to say.
At a full table any idiot playing like that might take the first seeral hands before someone calls with an AT or small PP and takes all his chips.
axl wrote:With that understanding I have no problem with the game being labeled a game of chance and not skill.My friend, you need to find a better game or develope better skills.
Will you be playing in the CAP Euro tourney?
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This happened before the poker ban came in in my hame town, Im sure they are looking more to the people in the club than the venue itself:
Scotland Poker Club Raided and Closed
June 21, 2006 – The Cincinnati Club in Glasgow, Scotland’s first poker club, was raided by police and gambling authorities and closed this evening. Equipment was seized and people questions but no arrests resulted.The Cincinnati Club, located on Bridge Street on the southern side of Glasgow, opened in 2005 and became the centre of an illegal gambling investigation. Strathclyde police and Gaming Commission authorities invaded. They removed gambling computer terminals. Dave Colclough, 41 years of age and a professional poker player and former Information Technology Consultant, owned and operated the poker facility.
This poker club hosted poker tournaments every night and represented the very first dedicated poker club in Scotland. A Strathclyde police spokesperson said the confiscation of machines and equipment and the club closing was the result of offences alleged to have been committed that violated the Gaming Act. The spokesperson went on to say that no one was arrested or charged with any crime at the time of the raid, but that numerous people were interviewed and inquiries will continue.
Because the investigation is ongoing, there is no estimate of when or if The Cincinnati Club might reopen. It is also unclear whether the equipment and gaming machines seized will ever be returned to their owners. Charges may yet be filed against one or many of the people involved in the illegal gambling investigation.
The raid on Scotland’s first poker club is reminiscent of the January 30, 2006 raid performed by armed police forces that raided the Cavendish Club, Northern Ireland’s single poker club. The raid occurred during the middle of a poker tournament and the £23,000 contained in the prize pool was confiscated. During the month following, however, a court judge determined that the money must be returned to the players but that the club was to remain closed indefinitely.
Will Scotland’s poker club learn that their equipment and machinery will enjoy the same fate or will it be permanently confiscated? Will arrests be made and charges pressed? If charges are filed, which parties will be charged? Will the club be allowed to reopen? These questions are all up in the air at this time and may not be answered for quite some time.
source: http://www.online-casinos.co.uk
The club is still open and going strong as far as I believeIntegrity wrote:See… this is my point so beautifully illustrated.I figured that might help get things back on focus.
I’ll just saythis and forget it (until I read something I don’t agree with! LOL!) :
If you DO NOT play poker or study poker you cannot give an educated opinion on this subject. sleepy.gif
If you DO play poker and believe it’s all about luck and not skill, then you had better be going “all in” every hand or you’re a hypocrite. :whoa:
If you DO play poker and look at your cards, then make a decision whether to play them or not based on what you hold, your position at the table, who’s entered the pot before you, who’s left to act behind you, your chip stack, the blind and ante structure, your table image, or any combiantion of these factors, then….
THANK YOU! You have just confirmed that poker is a skill game. Otherwise, just shove the chips in and pray. 😎
If you DO play poker and look at your cards, then make a decision whether to play them or not based on what you hold, your position at the table, who’s entered the pot before you, who’s left to act behind you, your chip stack, the blind and ante structure, your table image, or any combiantion of these factors, then….
You would do a similar thing playing video poker – you are not just going to pick 2-3 buttons to punch and hold random cards, and yet, I hope you are not going to argue that video poker is also game of skill…
Stupid wrote:You would do a similar thing playing video poker – you are not just going to pick 2-3 buttons to punch and hold random cards, and yet, I hope you are not going to argue that video poker is also game of skill…Some would, better to just throw your arms up like me.
