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Poker a game of chance? no surprise so is Tennis, Golf, Billards. Man the ignorance of it all. I guess this means I can take on the world’s best Poker Players with little or no skill. Jeeze I don’t even have to know how to play the game. This could be fun.
greek39
Butt heads who go all in with a 2 7 Offsuit and then beat your pair of aces on the river proved its a game of chance.
All I know when I play my mother Rumy I lose 9/10. I think my mom is a skilled Rumy player. Doesn’t the Poker dealer require a certain set of skills?
greek39:rasta:
Integrity wrote:A not guilty verdict “could have caused enormous problems for the gaming industry because then you have the green light in some people’s eyes for unregulated poker,” Justice Simon Wilkinson said in court.So is it regulated in some form over there by the government? If he had paid for the license then no problem?
im sure i could prove its a game of skill in a court of law – all you have to do is provide real and actual proof.
take 11 professionals Vrs 11 “Random” people off the street
they play each other head to head (so which ever side gets to 6 first wins) 5, 10 or 100 times – the pros will win 95% of the time easy which would prove its a game of skill.
I play pool at a high level (played at county level) and i think theres almost as much luck in that game, the break for staters often dictates how the rest of the game will go lol and thats down to the luck of the balls.
i dont understand why they dont do these sorts of things in court.
it can be so easily proven that its a game of skill
anyhow new laws will come into effect over here in a few months, that makes it legal for pubs to host poker games/tournaments (not sure if they need to apply for anything first though)
“A not guilty verdict “could have caused enormous problems for the gaming industry because then you have the green light in some people’s eyes for unregulated poker,” Justice Simon Wilkinson said in court.”
i guess hes right though, if they did give not guilty i could tomorrow buy any old shop and turn it into a poker gambling club and make some $$$ without paying for a gambling license
Lou, I agree that there is some degree of luck involved in poker… there is no debating that. But to say poker is a game of “luck” doesn’t really hold true. There are many reasons why.
LUCK? I have no training at the stock market. But I could blindly choose 4 stocks out of the business section and double my money overight. That would not qualify me to work on Wall Street.
SKILL? Professional football player, who make millions playing a game, will occasionally muff the snap on the game winning field goal. Arm chair quarterbacks all over the country say “What the hell!? I could do better!” And maybe they could… once… but not day in and day out.
LUCK? Stock traders tell everyone to buy Exxon stock and don’t expect an oil spill the next day and their customers lose thousands as stock prices tumble…
SKILL? Baseball players are considered “great” if they get just one hit one time out of every three trips to the plate…
LUCK? Highly trained police investigators read all the clues correctly, do a great investigation, and still arrest the wrong person…
All I’m saying is there are many things… many many things… that we consider to be a skill where luck plays a critical role. Yet they say poker doesn’t qualify for this category… why?
Because poker is played in a casino. :huh:
There is little doubt that there is a huge element of luck in poker – enough to make it “a game of chance”.
Also there is little doubt that what was being done WAS legal IF he had a gambling license.
I note the story also says :
Quote:“It is important that we take time, take stock, and go down to Gutshot to rearrange what we do, but we are not closing,” Kelly said in an interview after the decision.Gutshot basically needs to apply for and obtain a gamblnig license before offering poker games for money.
To argue otherwise is to argue black is white.
END OF STORY.
The guys running an unlicensed business , he should have has license.
If you own any business you still need a license.
Hey how about i do my best Joe Peschi
Ladies and gentleman of the jury, my opponent has argued that shuffling a deck of cards was enough to make poker both a game of significant chance and significant skill, which falls under the U.K. government’s interpretation of “chance.”
I ask you, how is this possible, is “chance” not by definition a term used to describe an occurance which cannot be altered in any way by one single human being.
Are we supposed to believe that the definition of “chance” has suddenly taken on a new meaning, or perhaps is it that the citizens of London have somehow managed to manipulate the course of events which have yet to happen.
Are we really supposed to believe that these yutes who are winning these poker tournaments possess supernatural powers which can dictate the outcome of events by manipulating fate.
Wow
Seems too incredible to be true, yet the prosecution would have you believe just that.
I mean are we to believe that the good people at Webster’s have been misleading us all these years with their definitions.
Is it possible that the game in question is not even called “poker”, could it be that the game is actually called “i decide wtf i do with my cards”
I would like for you, the members of the jury to look at all of these factors and question the validity of the prosecution’s claim, as you can see they make no sense and defy the laws of logic.
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The best evidence of it beeing a game of skills is all the world tournaments and the comment I read in this post, that if you took 9 random ppl off the streat agains a poker pro, the pro would win no matter what…
Does this mean that England will ban poker?
TheGooner wrote:Gutshot basically needs to apply for and obtain a gamblnig license before offering poker games for money.To argue otherwise is to argue black is white.
END OF STORY.
End of story? Really? Because that isn’t the story I was even reading.
I really do not see what the license has to do with the “chance” vs. “skill” argument that we were speaking of originally. Personally, I could give a damn less if they guy goes to jail for running illegal poker tournaments or a cock fight… there was much more at stake here.
The UK has been a “safe haven” for our industry. Someplace to point to and say, “See… civilized nations can tolerate and even regulate this industry”. So it was importatnt, in my opinion, how the “chance” vs. “skill” debate played out legally.
If you’re going to say that poker is more luck that skill I think you just don’t understand the game. Is blackjack pure gambling? No, that’s why you are thrown out of casinos if you can count cards! It’s a skill that can manipulate the odds in your favor!
Poker is much the same. Players must have highly developed skills of reading people, calculating odds, and extreme self dicipline. Yes, oh gawd hell yes there is some luck involved. But there’s luck involved in so many things we consider to be skills! Professional sports was just a great example.
You see books teaching poker skill all the time… just like sports, you can build your skill. How many people read books with titles like “Slots Skills for Dummies” or “The Psychology of Roulette”? Maybe “Mathmatical Applications for Keno?”
Gimme a break… sigh.gif
Not trying to be unpopular here, but, yeah, poker IS a game of chance – 100%.
You can have two Aces and your oponent 6 and 9, and you could be the most skilled poker player in the world – and still there are 5 more cards which can turn around the game based on pure CHANCE.
Is it skill – no, because EVERYONE can win a hand, and EVERYONE has the CHANCE to win 100% of the hands when playing for a first time!
Now you go play chess against a grossmaister – that’s skill. You may know all the gambits in the world – and you will still lose. Or win a shooting competition when you hold a gun for a first time. Not like some Canadian guy I was watching the other day – winning a championship of a kind after playing poker for 9 months.
And which part of this was bad news? That some guy did not pay his gambling license? Or because the country that has done the most to keep us in business busted his land-based arse?
Integrity wrote:End of story? Really? Because that isn’t the story I was even reading.Gimme a break… sigh.gif
You’re trying to argue that poker does not have a significant element of chance?
More to the point … the element of chance is not really for debate.
You’re trying to argue that poker is not gambling?Yeah – good luck with that. :bored:
Black is still black.
White is still white.
Poker is still gambling.Gutshot (and any private club or casino) can offer poker games with cash as stakes or prizes – but in order to so they NEED a Gambling License.
Yes – there are compliance and licensing costs …
But the court ruled that running poker tournaments in the UK requires a gambling license.And if you’re trying to pick a fight with that ruling … well then you’re just trying to pick a fight…
:beatup:Poker is gambling and it requires a license to run it as a business.
That’s a fairly good step along the way to sensible regulation.END OF STORY
