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I forgot the first deposit was only $50. I never deposit 50.
The second deposit was 100.
I never mentioned your name – I just said I went to a site with a new forum and clicked on the banner.
He went and got your stats and sent them to me.
Asked Brent about privacy and he appologized over and over and all but begged for forgiveness . he is a nice guy.
But he stated that Dominique indicated that she was testing for me and that he had assumed I had given her the stats already (which I had …)
Now Im pissed at 2 people !!!
Firstly – ALL testers were asked to keep the testing confidential MOST OF ALL never tell the program you were testing!! :shooter:
Secondly – Myself and Dominque had agreed to leave this alone and to not contact brent! :flamer:
Thirdly – Why do you have a right to go to the affiliate manager about a casino problem? ANY affiliate problem was mine not yours – I told you it didnt bother me – leave it alone!
THANKS A LOT DOM – NOW THE 3-4000 A MONTH I MAKE THERE IS SURE TO DROP TO HELL! It will no longer be a choice to move them to the cellar its going to have to be a necessity!
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In private mail I sent you a copy of my letter to Brent. At no time did I say I was testing for you. Your name wasn’t even in it.
If he knew, someone leaked it to him. Someone leaked it from here.
if that is the case then I am pissed at yet another CAP member …
I thought we were “family” here ????
None-the-less dom if it was someone else that told him – we had an agreement between you and me to not contact brent!
As for who was the one that told Brent about “testing” – Id have several suspects in mind if asked – I can only take your word for it that you were not the one that tipped him off – so accept my apology dom – Im sure you understand!
As for the one who did “tell all” you are scum!
I think I am done with CAP – thats just disgusting man! Simply disgusting!
Please don’t be mad, Brian.
I did explain more in private mail to you as it concerns private talks between us and apparently this place leaks.
Don’t be mad at CAP because one person leaked something.
I hope the mail I forwarded to you clarifies everything.
I was amazed anyway at how Brent could write such a comprehensive mail to me so fast – one that took gathering of info from everywhere.
Let’s all take a breather…. You’re still one of my favorite people, Arkyt, and I apologize for being impulsive about correcting injustice when I see it. I am too impulsive about that. My bad.
The more I think about it – the more I am getting angry now.
Running and telling aff managers what is being discussed in here regarding testing is really disgusting.
Look at all the bloddy friction you caused!
I dont know who tipped him off, but I hope they are happy and feel really good about themselves.
I have done NOTHING yet I am at a loss –
:cheers: you accomplished your goal – youve pissed me off!
wait just a min.
all he had to do was look up which site she joined from.
come on now.
… and it could have been me. I screwed up and posted in the public area (as I said above) but only for a few seconds before I realized what I had did.
as for his email. to me it makes perfect sense for the most part.
I’m quite sure the if the books show someone has cashed-out, then I would expect it to show that way in my stats. Its not the stats tracking program’s problem if the person cashing out can’t meet the requirements.
the way I look at it: is it just shows things are in automation as they should be.
if it didn’t show the cashin then I’d be more worried. That would mean it is likely added by hand instead of some kind of automation.
does that make sense?
and I’m sorry for being the weak link in your leak concerns, I made a mistake.
Ok everyone calm down.
#1 I dont think there was a leak. I believe Brent put two and two together and the instant he knew Doms player account # he knew which affiliate it was associated with. It didnt take a leak to do that. According to Brent he doesnt visit CAP. I am not sure that I believe that, but one thing IS for sure, that piece of shit never bothers to post here. I doubt that he would have caught a post that was up for only a few minutes. I am not saying there wasn’t mention of the testing, but I dont believe anyone specifically leaked this thread to Brent.
Re-Read Brents letter that Dom posted and its clear hes RESPONDING to her concerns. He didnt suddenly contact her out of the blue. So I tend to believe thats how he got involved at this level. I think Dom contacted him because she was concerned and wanted to let him know the casino was putting up unfair requirements to make a withdrawel. I dont think she was trying to create fricition for arkyt. I personally agree with her that asking for screen captures of Neteller deposits is absurd and NO REAL PLAYERS would have those. So I can see why she was concerned.
#2 Brent had NO BUSINESS showing an affiliates stats to anyone other then that affiliate. PERIOD. UP AND SHUT CASE.
#3 I still am fuzzy about wether the second deposit was ever credited to Arkyts account. Arkyt did you see a 2nd deposit in your stats? Dom did Brent explain what happened to the 2nd deposit?
#4 The whole purpose of testing is to uncover any possible flaws in the system. Apparently this test did that to some extent. Lets not fight with each other. The way it was handled was probably not to everyones satisfaction, but lets not get carried away and beat the testers or testees up.
#5 If you do a test then you have to do it discretely and follow all terms and conditions. If a casino requires ID to cash out and you have a problem producing ID then you have two choices. DONT TEST or if you do test then DONT CASH OUT. Because that wasnt being observed in this test we have additional layers of uneeded confusion. While I dont think a casino should debit an affiliate until funds are paid out, I can see that in their managements eyes the withdrawel was requested and is still in process pending verification by the player.
Ok, I am running for cover now. I just had to throw in my two cents.
s agree with her that asking for screen captures of Neteller deposits is absurd and NO REAL PLAYERS would have those. So I can see why she was concerned.
so can I go bitch at Brent about this without fear of it being considered a leak?
…. too late, I’m writing him now.
some of the rest I’m still trying to piece together. Did or did not the full amounts of the money deposited show up?
According to what I understand, is that it was all credited but on different days. that sound right to anybody?
BB1 DO NOT DISCUSS THIS THREAD WITH BRENT.
#1 Its in a private area of CAP
#2 Its not your affiliate account to discuss
#3 Its not your player account
#4 We already have enough chefs spoiling the soup on this one.
Now if you want to ask Brent if the casinos require screen captures of Neteller deposits WITHOUT refering to THIS situation thats fine, but please dont throw gas on the fire.
Its arkyt’s and Dom’s issue to iron out as they see fit.
that’s all I said was that the screen shots have got to go, or else show us how to do one.
just so you know, here’s my letter
Hi Brent,
on payouts of cashins
asking for the screen shots of NETeller is a toughie. Most people won’t know how to do it so if you’re going to ask people for one, it should be easy to do and you should have a page showing them how to do it.
make the casinos at least LOOK like they’re trying to pay people.
there is way too much unsureness. Shit if I were richer than Trump I’d still stop and think twice about playing someplace for serious money when the casino terms aren’t even totally 100% clear on what is required to cashin.
What would be smart is too encourage the players to get the process done before they win.
Not only will it show positive towards getting people paid, but think about the great player retention because you’d always be the casinos that “are doing all we can to get you paid; and part of that process is to get this info done. So why not get it done now? before you win so you don’t have to wait? So that you’ll know you’ve already passed all security requirements for getting paid and then when you come in and hit it big, there’s not problem 1 in getting paid.
call it your “NO RED TAPE PAYOUTS” or something like that.
the great thing is that every single time a player went to go gamble, no matter how far into the future and how much time between stop-ins to CR casinos, that player would know that every time he went to play, that he had a choice to play there; or over here at CR where all the red tape is out of the way!
you could be a bit adamant towards that end and tell people, “hey, don’t get mad at us for wanting to pay you. We need you to go thru this process to satisfy our processors and security; so please let us help you to complete it and then its behind you.
what do you think?
S.
Neteller does NOT require any of their vendors to provide screen shots of deposits.
They certainly do NOT require any of the Casino Rewards casinos to do this either, its bullshit pure and simple. You may want to slap honey on it, but its still a shit sandwhich.
Asking Brent to explain to the player how to properly hold a shit sandwhich is not the answer here. The real answer is to tell Brent to stop making players eat shit to claim the money owed them.
I withdrew from two casinos last week as a player using Neteller and they didnt ask for screen captures of the deposits. HELL in five years of playing online NO ONE has ever asked me for a screen capture of a deposit that their records show anyway.
What IS common is for the casinos to request a copy of your drivers license and or utility bills. That is not excessive and when prompted for this a Player should produce it to verify their identity and claim their cash.
I’m not trying to stir things up, but would like to put some things into perspective.
testing. if you catch someplace not tracking correctly, isn’t the reason you test is so you can confront them and say something to the effect of “if I catch you again you’re done on my sites and in my endorsements”.
I mean even if Ark wasn’t planning on saying anything, which I personally think would be an unwise decision, especially since he’s two choices at this point: he can say something and hope that what is wrong, is fixed, therefore giving him a much nicer income for the future;
or he can say nothing, KNOW that nothing is being done to improve his situation; and then say to himself; they’re probably cheating me on purpose and if I say I’ve found evidence that their stats aren’t right; then I’ll lose what income I am making….
rather than take that chance,..
I guess I better go try the devil I don’t know
rather than try to fix the one I do know;
which is AT least paying me better than a lot of places I’ve tried. I mean, didn’t it all show up somewhere in the tracking? I’m still unclear on that part. (and very interested to know).
you see what I’m saying, in the end, IMHO it was likely you’d have come to such a conclusion and that you’d decide to say something. I just can’t see you laying down and taking it Ark.
There’s too much arguement for the other way for me to beleive you’d not have eventually come to the same conclusion that I have;
and as my proof I point to page one of this thread.
Who else?
and I point to Spear’s post about which program’s tracking he trusts the best, and one of the better choices is CR, so that tells you they are likely not going to treat you in the same manner as Marlo’s bunch.
shit that’s comparing … to apples.
and yes, I know I left out oranges. Fish around in that sentence, I’m sure you’ll find suitable substitute there towards the front.
but maybe I’m wrong, maybe you wouldn’t have said anything.
edited to add;
that is what I say to myself about my situation, as mine and Arks are similar. That’s why I can come up with this to say so quickly. its been on my mind a while now.
what to do if I caught a good producer cheating is a toughie.
edited to add that I’m not saying CR was or not : just that it is a tough question to figure out generically speaking.
I am not saying Arkyt shouldnt talk to Brent about the test.
BUT I am saying it was a test of arkyts affiliate account with money he provided for the test. He’s the ONLY one entitled to make the decision as to wether to confront Casino Rewards or NOT. It’s his call.
It’s not right for anyone else to take that decision away from him.
Steve, God bless you, but in this case you have blinders on beacuse it’s Casino Rewards. Be honest, if it were ANY other program you would be all over the casino for violating privacy, potentially missing deposits and for making unreasonable withdrawel conditions.
