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@ArrGee 164902 wrote:
Dave says:ok, great. i have seen the threads abotu CPays aswell. they are old and the money we are making for our clients now is very good
I don’t have an opinion on the ‘threat’, but the above statement does not sit right with me. Just because they are old issues does not mean that it’s to late to address them.
He actually says:
you misenterpreted what i was saying, i dont have any influence over other companies or their staff i was simply saying if you look on the forums everyone has bad things written about them
So he did try to clear up the misundestanding, you were just too fired up to catch it. Anyhow, all Playtech are “funky” – so you may as well take the one that makes money.
My personal advice – if you make money with a program, the fact its bad-mouthed on a forum or two should be no reason for dropping them. There is as much dirt on EuroPartners as there is on CPays – make your decision based on YOUR OWN business, not someone else. Any program could go belly-up tomorrow and you have no guarantees no matter who you advertise.
Obviously not a threat.
I don’t see it as a threat – he just saying that he reckons all the other programs have problems and don’t pay as well as CPAYS.
Now – I don’t believe that – in fact I think that it’s full of **** – as I work with over a dozen programs with ZERO problems. I choose them for their integrity.
Same old Cpays, pile on the pressure to keep them on your site and denigrate the opposition, deny the problems, dismiss the forum threads etc.
(it’s like their support staff get a “baffle with bullsh!t handbook when joining)
:tongue:You’re right to want to get out if you don’t like the program – and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. After all it’s your business.
:hattip:Cheers Paul,
You’re totally right, it is my business. There have been posts here saying that maybe the account manager had a poor understanding of English.
I have not had any support from CPays. All they have done is hounded me into moving their banners into better positions on my site.
The friends who I have mentioned run TV campaigns for their sites, so I am just a tiddler compared to them. And I respect their input.
I have worked as an account manager in advertising for around 14 years, and having a good command of manner and language has always be a pre-requisite of the job.
Being picky, I would never tell a client that I am going out for a cigarette and then come back and deal with an enquiry. I would rather tell the client that I am going to consult a senior, even if I were to have a cig break!
I would never wait for a client to question me on my words, but provide an explanation of my words.
I would like to think that an account manager will provide solid support, with a level of indifference. After all, I am the client and I am marketing their products in my time/effort/money.
Whilst on the one-hand, this thread may seem completely trivial. On the other there is a case for weeding out affiliate networks that provide a poor service against those that are true to word.
Surely, that is a factor this is of utmost importance to those of us hosting affiliate banners…?
If we aren’t marketing them, they won’t make revenue. If we do market them, then we all make revenue, as long as they payout.
If not, stop marketing them. It’s their loss more than ours.
I don’t see the conversation as a threat, however I have worked with Cpays on several occasions, and they do a way of trying to intimidate you into “their way of thinking”. I do feel he was hoping a little negative talk about other programs would turn you towards Cpays, but he quickly realized it wasn’t going to work and backed off.
So, on that basis, do you think it’s worth keeping CPays on track or should I completely dismiss them now?
Oh, and just one other thing before I put my weary sleep head to bed…
Quote from a CPays affiliate friend:
“What’s the point in getting bigger commissions if you don’t actually get paid?”Am I missing something here?
If Dave said this: “listen I know all the brands and all the account managers, if you want to leave then leave but you will get problems with all the others and less money”
In my opinion hes just saying” there are other programs that are a lot worse out there and programs that will make you less $$,
then if R says this:
“You see, that is exactly what happed to my friend. Even death threats from one drunken CPays account manager at a convention”
To me, that is almost like R is telling DAVE, “Hey dont threaten my life”.
Seriously, where did R get the threat, I think it was R who gave the threat, R in my opine is threating DAVES charature by just the words “you see”, its like saying , you see, he come another death threat, where did R get that from.
R, no way, Dave did not threaten you at all., remember, you asked for our opines, I’m just giving you mine,
@ArrGee 164974 wrote:
Oh, and just one other thing before I put my weary sleep head to bed…
Quote from a CPays affiliate friend:
“What’s the point in getting bigger commissions if you don’t actually get paid?”Am I missing something here?
My suggestion regarding working with Cpays is to do so on a prepaid campaign basis only. Prepaid, Or don’t bother.
I didn’t see Dave’s words threatening in any way. I think he was just talking a little bs and exagerating a little to say he knows ALL the account managers and to say so confidently that you’ll have problems. He would have really sounded stupid if he was implying he not only knew all the account managers so well, but also had such an influence over all them to create such problems for you. I didn’t see him trying to intimidate you, but rather talking with a bit of a big head to say “Cpays will pay you better and has no more problems then the next guy” (though we know they have many more problems).
@ArrGee 164972 wrote:
So, on that basis, do you think it’s worth keeping CPays on track or should I completely dismiss them now?
Thats a decision you have to make. I have had positive and negative experiences from Cpays. I have taken a flat fee, paid in advance, for main page advertising on one of my sites on a couple occassions. For me, it worked as it was a guaranteed income, that works for me when my health isn’t up to doing any work, or to free my time for more work on other sites.
Cpays has a terrible reputation of paying and/or paying ontime for affiliates. They sent me payment and main page layout and I put it up for 30 days, never once did I see stats or anything, so I don’t know if I missed alot or not. Not an arrangement that works for everyone, and doesn’t for me all the time either, but life has it’s moments.
I never useed CPays, but I am glad I read this tread.
Daera said it the best, :hattip: what I was trying to say in my “Narrative”
Daera said in one sentence, but It’s right on.” I didn’t see him trying to intimidate you, but rather talking with a bit of a big head to say “Cpays will pay you better and has no more problems then the next guy” Well Said. Just didn’t see Dave saying anyone was gonna be sleeping with the fishes :shooter:.
R, just try and let it go, really, your loosing sleep and this Dave most likely could care less. If anything, use this to to get the drive to make the most $$ you can with another program, who cares what N E 1 says, work on your site and make some bucks man.
@ArrGee 164902 wrote:
Dave says:listen I know all the brands and all the account managers, if you want to leave then leave but you will get problems with all the others and less money
I can’t imagine an affiliate manager axing your affiliate account because an affiliate manager from a totally different company asked them to.
But I would keep an eye on my serps and on any complaints that might come from other affiliate programs regarding my accounts.
@ArrGee 164974 wrote:
Oh, and just one other thing before I put my weary sleep head to bed…
Quote from a CPays affiliate friend:
“What’s the point in getting bigger commissions if you don’t actually get paid?”Am I missing something here?
What he is saying is anyone can offer you the best deal out there, but if they don’t pay you your commission then it really is the worst deal.
My opinion of the threat was that Dave was defending himself and CPays, and not threating you. It doesn’t give me the warm and fuzzies when someone defends themselves by saying they are no worse then anyone else, but hey its one method. After the initial read it felt like you were looking to start something.
If you want to play it safe, then promote CAP certified programs only. There are a lot to choose from. At least you would have some sort of recourse in case this chat was about your missing commission check. I would say that most of the CAP certified programs want to stay that way, and from my experience the CAP programs rarely get to that point.
As for staying or dropping CPays, I think you already know the answer. Friends tell you don’t promote them, horror stories all over the place with warnings, not certified by CAP, and a chat with a manager that was not especially friendly….why risk it when there are so many better programs out there without the shady past.
