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Surely an aff manager asking you to take a look at their program isn’t that far away from your role, as an affiliate?
Yes, it is far away. We have no obligations to any programs other than those we have contract with. Just because you work in the same industry as I it doesn’t mean I have to read your emails! Not to mention that only an idiot would sign up with a program through a spam email…
What some of the aff managers fail to grasp is that those spam emails end up hurting their legitimate communications. The few spam emails that slip through my spam filter do end up marked as spam. When enough people do this – the spam filter marks all future email from that company as spam and a lot of affiliates end up not getting otherwise legitimate emails from their aff managers from that company.
CWC-Martyn;208494 wrote:I was contacted yesterday by an affiliate manager who has obviously used a bot to harvest email address and never bothered to clean it up. Their intention was not totally clear other than they wanted me to sign up to their program and send them players or I promote their brands to our players and affiliates for a kick back!A number of mails were exchanged and they still didnt get that I was in the same position as them, looking for affiliates to work with, even after telling them. In the end I got this out of them…
Are they really trying to get me to advertise their brands to the players signed up at CWC and related brands?
Also this…
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Two things on this, I am now glad that they explained to me how the affiliate model works. I slept so much better last night as a result.
And secondly, do they expect that I sell their brands to our affiliates for them?
I would lay off the Meth buddy. :Bong:
I have to say you are not the first person to get one of these.. I get emails from other affiliate managers on a daily basis. I usually reply asking which site they found and some of them click immediately, but others just send me our RA domain then continue asking to be placed there.. I’ll play along
Re PMs – being a “guest affiliate manager” I got so sick of the 10 PM limit (which includes sent items) so I just disabled the PM function. Don’t think I have ever spammed an affiliate through PM though, even when we were a certified member.
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Alex I would probably put them contacting you about Bingo down to the fact that they can’t see your signature to check if you promote Bingo and so are PMing you on a whim hoping that you do.
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Stupid wrote:Yes, it is far away. We have no obligations to any programs other than those we have contract with. Just because you work in the same industry as I it doesn’t mean I have to read your emails! Not to mention that only an idiot would sign up with a program through a spam email…What some of the aff managers fail to grasp is that those spam emails end up hurting their legitimate communications. The few spam emails that slip through my spam filter do end up marked as spam. When enough people do this – the spam filter marks all future email from that company as spam and a lot of affiliates end up not getting otherwise legitimate emails from their aff managers from that company.
I get emailed every day from affiliates asking for link exchanges or asking me to have a look at their site and give them opinions or ask me for sponsorship for a contest at their forum.. does that mean I can delete those since they are spam too?
Not trying to be offensive but in my opinion this view is a bit one sided. The nature of what we do must allow some kind of medium for contact. If not by email then how… by phone? I’m sure you’d prefer to receive one email that you can delete than a heap of phone calls.. noone likes phone calls and email is a less intrusive way to contact potential business partners.
If someone emails you asking to work with you and you told them that you don’t want to receive any emails from them anymore and they continue to SPAM you (notice how I used the word spam there) then I think that’s out of line. But one email, and if they remove you from the list when you tell them you are not interested, I don’t think that should be a problem. Of course if the person emailing you hasn’t even looked at your site then I think that gives reason to just delete.
IMO an email should be personal and contain the person’s first name if possible (of course there will be those cases when it’s not, but in that case as much info as possible would be best to show it’s not a mass spam email). I hate those harvested email spams too and I don’t blame you for being pissed at them.
On a side note a hint for affiliates – if you’re emailing an affiliate manager with a request such as one I noted above, and you want them to take you seriously, writing an email to a woman and addressing her as “Sir” is not going to get your email read. Take notice of the person you’re sending the email to. You may find you get more responses.
This is all my opinion.. Now I wait for the flaming :tongue:
Would you like this served via flame thrower, bon fire or lightening? :hattip:
Renee;208614 wrote:I have to say you are not the first person to get one of these.. I get emails from other affiliate managers on a daily basis. I usually reply asking which site they found and some of them click immediately, but others just send me our RA domain then continue asking to be placed there.. I’ll play alongI usually just reply and tell them it’s a flat rate of 40K a week upwards.
Don’t get many responses :sarcasm:
Dominique;208616 wrote:Would you like this served via flame thrower, bon fire or lightening? :hattip:[IMG]boisestate.edu/history/cityhistorian/timelines_city/art_timelines/fire_lightening.jpg[/IMG]
They both hurt as much as each other
Ah well, I can’t make up my mind, we’ll just have to skip it then. :tongue:
Dominique;208625 wrote:Ah well, I can’t make up my mind, we’ll just have to skip it then. :tongue:Sounds just fine to me
I get emailed every day from affiliates asking for link exchanges or asking me to have a look at their site and give them opinions or ask me for sponsorship for a contest at their forum.. does that mean I can delete those since they are spam too? [/quote]
See, you’ve got the whole thing wrong, which is what upsets me to begin with. Maintaining contact with affiliates is your job, that’s why you are reffered to as an “affiliate manager”. Our job is NOT to find new affiliate programs, but find new players. This is the big difference here.
Not trying to be offensive but in my opinion this view is a bit one sided. The nature of what we do must allow some kind of medium for contact. If not by email then how… by phone? I’m sure you’d prefer to receive one email that you can delete than a heap of phone calls.. noone likes phone calls and email is a less intrusive way to contact potential business partners.
There are plenty of media for contacting potential affiliates, your section on this forum, for example, attending an affiliate conference or advertising. This way neither of us are wasting time. Keep in mind that there is a good reason “no soliciting” is the best selling sign in the US… How would you feel if every business in your town stop by every day asking you to check out their new products?!? I bet it would get old pretty soon opening and closing the door…
If you open up any business in the world, expect a sales person to knock on the door. I don’t see a difference, and anyone in the USA who has ever started a business knows this also. Do not call registry? Sorry personal phones only, no business can register. I really don’t see the big deal from one PM, but should be balanced of course…
Stupid;208643 wrote:See, you’ve got the whole thing wrong, which is what upsets me to begin with. Maintaining contact with affiliates is your job, that’s why you are reffered to as an “affiliate manager”. Our job is NOT to find new affiliate programs, but find new players. This is the big difference here.Suggesting to delete the emails was a joke. I thought that was pretty obvious.
Part of my job as an affiliate manager is to not only maintain contact with existing affiliates, but to grow the program by finding business opportunities with NEW affiliates… I don’t see other companies sitting around waiting for business partners to walk in the door. IMO that is a recipe for failure. A business doesn’t grow itself. It would be like you putting up one page of a website then sitting there expecting players to find it without you continuing to improve it and look for new opportunities to get more visitors and more players in the door. Every business is proactive in their search for new business no matter what industry they are in..
An example I can think of is in my last job. I was a web developer and managed a group of designers. When there was no work, we would all pitch in and just call random businesses that didn’t have a website yet. Most were pretty happy that we called because they wanted to get one organised but just didn’t have the time to get on it. I don’t see a difference between that and this.
I also have an affiliate site within another industry (not gaming related) and I receive emails every day from people wanting to do business. I send them a polite “No Thankyou” if I’m not interested and generally they will not email me again.
I get the odd ones from China who don’t stop but just get someone else from the company to email me the exact same thing (offering me personalised items not realising that I actually don’t sell anything on my site even though I’ve told them a million times) and yes, that is frickin annoying. But the majority are not like this.
Personally, I welcome this. If someone wants to offer me more money for doing my job, bring it on!
Stupid wrote:There are plenty of media for contacting potential affiliates, your section on this forum, for example, attending an affiliate conference or advertising. This way neither of us are wasting time. Keep in mind that there is a good reason “no soliciting” is the best selling sign in the US… How would you feel if every business in your town stop by every day asking you to check out their new products?!? I bet it would get old pretty soon opening and closing the door…Not all affiliates participate in forums, or attend conferences, or spend their whole day looking at advertising. In fact most of the affiliates I work with don’t do any of the above. So how did I find them? I sent them an email after finding their website and some of my top performing affiliates started working with us because I sent them an email.
If every business in my town stopped by to show me their product, I think that one of those would eventually walk in and offer me something that I would really like to try that I would have never found myself.
The choice is yours whether you choose to welcome an email like this or not. There is no golden rule that says you have to read and reply to every single email you receive, but IMO by not getting them at all you could potentially be shooting yourself in the foot.
Cheers
Renee
Rewards AffiliatesI don’t see other companies sitting around waiting for business partners to walk in the door. IMO that is a recipe for failure. A business doesn’t grow itself.
Well, at the end, I guess it’s down to the business model… I can give you an example with Bodog – a gambling company that not only sits around waiting for affiliates, but has the balls to reject a large amount of the apps… If you build a quality product – there would be no reason for “cold-calling” – word of mouth is the best medium.
But what’s really crazy is the fact that Rewards Affiliates do have an anti-spam policy. Here are a few excerpts from it:
Permission of new subscribers must be opt-in, before mailings commence.
No user on an affiliate list should ever have to unsubscribe from a list they did not intentionally subscribe to. We have a zero tolerance policy for the mailing of unsolicited e-mail at RewardsAffiliates.
Yet, you have no problem sending unsolicited emails yourself… Talking about irony…
@Stupid 208698 wrote:
you have no problem sending unsolicited emails yourself… Talking about irony…
owned…
Stupid;208698 wrote:Well, at the end, I guess it’s down to the business model… I can give you an example with Bodog – a gambling company that not only sits around waiting for affiliates, but has the balls to reject a large amount of the apps… If you build a quality product – there would be no reason for “cold-calling” – word of mouth is the best medium.But what’s really crazy is the fact that Rewards Affiliates do have an anti-spam policy. Here are a few excerpts from it:
Yet, you have no problem sending unsolicited emails yourself… Talking about irony…
Yeah Renee, Bodog never made phone calls or emails. All the business just showed up. I wonder how they got word of mouth? You really think they stopped making phone calls to players, customer etc? I got one this week regarding the upcoming NFL season and I had not deposited there in 2 years! (of course almost every book has been calling me this week,lol)
PS, Rewards affiliates is a great program,Bodog also. I think you missing the point. In Business to Business, sales happens. My last company went from ZERO – 60 million a year in 2 years. How? 100 cold calls a day. Is important marketing tool, and as long as “do not call” requests are acknowledged….
IMO, to grow any business with the, “Build it they will come” attitude is crash and burn.
I think PM’ing definitely has its place in AM work. Personally I try to take another approach when I send “cold call” PM’s.
First off, I will never just send messages blindly to random people. What I like to do is read a lot of posts from an affiliate, really see who they are and try to offer a good suggestion or helpful thought that I think may help them or their site. I do add in what program I am from, but really do not try and sell it to them. If the affiliate is looking to add another program, and likes your advice and helpful nature you will get way more responses then just blindly spamming. If you cannot personalize a “Cold Call” how are you ever going to make a good partnership with the affiliate after they do sign up. Overall some of my best affiliates and partnerships have been formed this way and I have yet to hear a negative comment about my PM’ing.
Just my 2 cents
