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Exactly…there is loads of potential for dedicated/intelligent affiliates.
BTW…Doyle’s is allowing all US PLAYERS to transfer their funds and points directly to Full Tilt Poker with a bonus as well.
Good on ya Full Tilt!
And, if you haven’t heard of the Full Tilt / PPA bonus deal, that is also on the way…looks like Full Tilt is the #1 room dedicated to this fight…we must support them!
Cheers!
Make sure you tell your players that WILL tranfer to tilt and HAVEN’T got an account to use YOUR AFFILIATE LINK TO GET A TILT ACCOUNT FIRST…or you will be losing that player with no credit…they are not particulary thinking of affs at this moment and Ellen has emailed them.
Who are the top 100 affiliates? All 100 of us left that’s who!
:beatup: :beatup: :beatup:“Although it’s a given that this industry is on its last legs”
Erm… no mate, only for Americans, or those who haven’t emmigrated yet (what are you waiting for?)
For some of us it’s hard to move from where we are at — and you don’t have to move to target other languages and countries. If you still believe in the first amendment and freedom of speech, stay here and fight from home. WHO ELSE will turn this around??? No one but Americans can change American law. It will be us of course, or we can run away from the fight. And a fight for your income is a fight for your life. :madat:
Can you change it from jail though?
at the risk of derailing the thread… no affiliates that i know of have been arrested and there are a lot of us here in the US. i dont know where each of my users comes from, what they click on or what they do when they leave my site, but as far as I know we can visit any site we want to as long as we dont engage in illegal activity.
i dont believe i will get arrested for providing advertising to my international clients when the topic is online gambling. i dont know the users, i dont process the payments, and i dont take bets.
when people are optimisitc (especially when we are on the industry’s side) please don’t be so quick to knock us on the head – there are alternate ways of looking at things here…. and really our energy is deserved elsewhere… like building websites… :wink-wink
I’m all for optimism – that’s why I tried to lift the gloominess from people saying the industry was almost dead etc – total nonsense, just the US market.
An affiliate, as well as having increasing difficulty getting paid, could be charged with aiding and abetting under the new law, players likely would be ok if they managed to get around it. Of course not affiliate you know has been arrested – the law doesn’t come into effect for a few months yet.
Enough with the “doom and gloom”.
Yes, the industry has a rocky road ahead.. but it is certainly not over.
This is a multi-billion dollar industry and it’s not going to fold overnight,
just because the U.S. is experiencing problems regulating the industry.Some foreign affiliates need to quit using the old “aiding and abetting”
fear tactic as well. No one has ever been arrested for aiding and abetting
any activity as an advertiser that I’m aware of, and I think it would
be very hard to convince a jury of such a crime. I agree with exactly
what Dan said. Some of the affiliates are going to quit and on their
way down, they are going to try and drag as many others as possible.Some of the affiliates are going to quit and on their
way down, they are going to try and drag as many others as possible.I agree. When questioning your actions of such importance … I can see where it would be quite easy (and have been guilty of such myself about other issues) to take that road.
Bottom line from where I sit is its a free speech issue. Then its an advertising issue. as stated … its still completely legal to advertise to other parts of the world and as such … and has been mentioned .. I’ve no control over who comes from where ….. or what they do when they leave the site.
If a bill is passed saying its illegal to advertise to other parts of the world .. I will reluctantly get out.
I see a website no different from a billboard by the road, it’s a billboard on the internet.
No one has any control over who drives by and sees it.
If someone underage drives by a bill board and sees an ad for whiskey and goes and buys some, is the bill board advertiser responsible?
I, as a US advertiser, promote poker/gambling activities to ONLY those individuals to whom is is legal…… to the best of my ability…. which is why I have a warning statement on all my sites advising the consumer to be sure it is legal in their jurisdiction before they play! :woo-hoo:
Fantastic post Prof., couldnt have said it better myself.
I was a firm believer that a select few land based casinos would enter the online gaming market with US approved online gambling licenses.But now I dont think so. I’m also sure its not a case of taxes! But rather of taking away online gambling, so that land based casinos continue to be only source of gambling.
Its very simple to tax internet transactions. Its a simple reverse tax, you pay the tax on your deposits, not on your winnings.
Gambling companies use gambling merchants / accounts, which have gambling identifiers. When a US citizen makes a bet, and funds are transferred from a US bank account to a gambling merchant, it has to go through a US bank. The US bank takes the tax at that point, and passes it onto the goverment.
Its really quite simple.
Professor wrote:I dont believe the land based casinos will be online in 18 months either.1. They want players at their casinos where they can maximize profits.
3. Online gaming would create significantly less tax revenue for states then does land based casinos.
Kar thats a brilliant idea. I am sure no one would have had any problem paying a tax on all purchases and to make it really attractive we could had two taxes,
1. State tax – revenues going to the state you are a resident of, could have been earmarked for education or transportation or whatever priority that state had.
2. Federal tax – Revenues used for education or defense or whatever the feds had in mind. A portion could have been used to fund licensing and oversight for consumers.
Thats the model that should have been agressively pursued from the begining, way back in 2000 before all this trouble arose. Perhaps if we get a progressive administration in place this could be a workable solution.
Just on the phone right now with my rep at Doyle’s.
Not looking good at all. Shutting down the US-marketplace – confirmed.Yes, the current player base is being transitioned to Full Tilt but no compensation for that transfer for the affiliate who created that account.
Sounds like ths US-based affiliates are also being dropped unless and off-shore situation is created.
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