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  • #651315
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I would like to see you raise the issue with Bellerock, Spears!

    #651359
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    It won’t be just Belle Rock that I plan on talking to.

    #651806
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Aaaaahh…. what’s up Zane?

    #652094
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Yup I am very dissapointed as well with Referback.
    I bring them at least 20 players every month, and one of their casinos was at #1 spot. But ALL the casinos I advertise have me on 40% commission – no number of players to sign up and such – just core 40%!!!
    Referback has a very good conversion for me, but 25% compared to 40% – it dont make any difference, so I just placed them deep within the website. The rest of the casino programs would give me 40% for the life of the player – why hustle with 20%??? They could have gotten at least 50 players this month from me – but now somebody else is getting them :)

    All their poker sites – I took them off – I got 15 players, and not even one of them was shown to deposit anything – whatever.

    I guess the statement “You own the player for life” dont make any sence with Referback. If they were to introduce 5% increase – they would have dominated the search engines and make lots of money.

    Plus, what the hell happened with the 35% for U.K. players? That one is gone,too?

    And all this empty talk from a casino affiliate program which has NEVER been able to pay their affiliates on time!?! Always something is wrong with Referback, they will find any excuse to justify the late payments.

    I dont know who owns this forum/website, but you guys get a very bad rep for encouraging people to sign up for the Referback’s program!

    And, Dominique, why would you defend them? They just changed the commission structure for every affiliate!
    I dont see them as a solid program at all – tomorrow they might decide that we should get 20% core commission only.

    Very, very bad management – when GPWA is trying to get them banned for spamming and taking players away from their own affiliates – instead of Referback raising some % to keep the small number of affiliates they had left with – they will turn around and lower the commission and tamper with the deal we had made!!!

    #652097
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Originally posted by Zane Green

    Dammit :crazy: We should have spoken to some of you that have been around for a while and got your input first. (We are making far more of an effort to see and talk with our Affiliates such as yourselves; I especially enjoyed meeting some of you in Miami, so lesson learned.)

    I like your style. :bigsmile:

    If we put some of these in place then perhaps you will realize we are not just trying to cheat you.

    ……….. might wanna rephrase that one..

    I like your post, I may even give referback some exposure. :)

    #652099
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Regardless of the changes in commission, Referback performs where others fail.

    I always favor something over nothing.

    #652100
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Just read Atlrus’s post and he makes some very good points.

    #652102
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I still disagree with an affiliate program changing their commission program with no notice. At the very least, people should be grandfathered in.

    But as the ever-wise and ever-pragmatic Professor would say, this is a business, and it is about making money. And if you’re making money with a program, then you should keep on making money with them. That’s got to be the biggest factor.

    The marketplace will take care of most affiliate programs anyway. Eventually no one will promote the programs where they don’t make money, and everyone will promote the programs where they do make money.

    #652106
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    And if you’re making money with a program, then you should keep on making money with them

    With all due respect – I have to disagree with that statement.

    You can NOT just turn your head when a business partner is screwing you over. Rest assured – if you give an inch today, without a doubt tomorrow it will be a mile! One shouldn’t be “content” when their business stability is at stake. What ever happened to founding principles like commitment and integrity?

    Partnerships / Affiliations are entered into by two or more persons. This relationship between individuals or groups is characterized by mutual cooperation and responsibility, toward the achievement of a specified goal. We have all entered into agreements when we became affiliates of these programs.

    When an agreement or contract is entered in to IMHO the contract should not be changed by either of the members of the partnership without first obtaining consent of the other partners. Moreover NEVER should an agreement be retroactively changed consequently forcing one partners will over the other. That my friend is where the partnership ends and the slave work begins!

    just my 3 1/2 cents!

    #652108
    vladcizsol
    Member

    I dont know who owns this forum/website, but you guys get a very bad rep for encouraging people to sign up for the Referback’s program!

    :madat: :madat: :madat:

    I own this website. Now tell me who we have a very bad rep with???? You???? You are a guest here. You dont even list your website in your profile or signature. Is that beacuse YOU have a very bad Rep????

    You state you send the Referback Casinos 20 players a month… SO its ok for you to promote their program and you get a clean slate, but CAP gets a bad Rep????? A little Hypocritical, no?

    Watch the comments if you want to remain a guest here. You have started out on a very bad foot with that little comment above.

    #652113
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Well put, Brian. Point well taken. I stand corrected.

    But a certain amount of pragmatism is understandable too, I think. Just my opinion. This particular program isn’t one that I promote, and they’re not on my list of potential new partners at the moment either.

    Originally posted by arkyt
    With all due respect – I have to disagree with that statement.

    You can NOT just turn your head when a business partner is screwing you over. Rest assured – if you give an inch today, without a doubt tomorrow it will be a mile! One shouldn’t be “content” when their business stability is at stake. What ever happened to founding principles like commitment and integrity?

    Partnerships / Affiliations are entered into by two or more persons. This relationship between individuals or groups is characterized by mutual cooperation and responsibility, toward the achievement of a specified goal. We have all entered into agreements when we became affiliates of these programs.

    When an agreement or contract is entered in to IMHO the contract should not be changed by either of the members of the partnership without first obtaining consent of the other partners. Moreover NEVER should an agreement be retroactively changed consequently forcing one partners will over the other. That my friend is where the partnership ends and the slave work begins!

    just my 3 1/2 cents!

    #652114
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Lets look at the big picture and some of the signs:

    1. The commission was lowered for every affiliate, no matter under what T&C you have signed up. (Sign for being: Unreliable, Unstable, Would f**k over old affiliate partners)

    2. Poker commission structure was changed again months after introduction (Sign for being: Unreliable, Unstable)

    3. Payments have never been on time (Sign for being: Unreliable)

    4. The “Big Kahuna” promotion winner was never announced, yet they keep on asking for promotional suggestions (Sign for being: You tell me)

    5. The 35% commission for U.K. players doesn’t seem to exist any longer – you guys keep on talking about the 5% but you don’t see that here the cut is as deep as 15% (Sign for being: Unreliable, Unstable)

    6. There used to be $5,000 commission if you bring a player who hits a progressive jackpot – this way, even when you loose all your commission – you still make good money. I cannot find this anywhere on their website, so I assume it’s no longer valid. (Sign for being: Unstable, Unreliable)

    7. Limited and unclear player reporting. With any other aff. program you know everything about a player – from account number, to charge backs, deposits, withdraws, bonuses etc. With Referback you get NOTHING! Some general report, and things that every one who had graduated from high-school could figure out even without a calculator.(Sign for being: Unreliable, Shady)

    8. Patronizing gambling webmasters. What’s up with that “recent top affiliate” who got over $200,000? This had been on their website for as long as I could remember – years. AND how about this statement I found on their website: )“In fact you’re more than likely earning as much as 50% commission, and that’s because we pay you on Positive Net Win generated by your players and not just on normal Net Win as advertised by most Affiliate Programs. “ And when you look at the example they gave you, all you could say is “Do you acctually think I am THAT stupid?

    9. Using scumware to promote the casinos – according to webmasters, they use scumware so when a potential player visits your website – their pop-up will show, the player would click on it, thinking it’s from your website and you have just lost a player. (Sign for being: You tell me)

    And many other things – this is just the core basic.

    Don’t get me wrong, it seems to me that the casinos themselves would make me tons of money – they have had great conversion for me, and if I got the same commission, attitude and support (not customer support) as the other major aff. programs give me – I would advertise only BelleRock casinos!

    It’s not the 5% that bugs me – I can always get them 1 player, but all the points I made above, and the way they would treat a “partner”. I would still advertise the casinos, because of the casinos themselves, having the reputation for being honest and fair, and this is the image of my gambling website, and these are the kind of casinos I would like my visitors to go and play at, so they would keep coming back to my website, long after it gets banned by the Search Engines.
    But they would never get the exposure and number of players they could have, if they have chosen different aff. program.

    #652115
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    GPWA is trying to get them banned for spamming and taking players away from their own affiliates – instead of Referback raising some % to keep the small number of affiliates they had left with – they will turn around and lower the commission and tamper with the deal we had made!!!

    atlraus, what are you talking about?

    The scum situation from over a year ago?

    That’s very old news and I was very involved in that. It has nothing at all to do with current affairs.

    #652118
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Originally posted by arkyt

    You can NOT just turn your head when a business partner is screwing you over. Rest assured ? if you give an inch today, without a doubt tomorrow it will be a mile! One shouldn?t be ?content? when their business stability is at stake. What ever happened to founding principles like commitment and integrity?

    Partnerships / Affiliations are entered into by two or more persons. This relationship between individuals or groups is characterized by mutual cooperation and responsibility, toward the achievement of a specified goal. We have all entered into agreements when we became affiliates of these programs.

    When an agreement or contract is entered in to IMHO the contract should not be changed by either of the members of the partnership without first obtaining consent of the other partners. Moreover NEVER should an agreement be retroactively changed consequently forcing one partners will over the other. That my friend is where the partnership ends and the slave work begins!

    just my 3 1/2 cents!

    Just adding more interest to that 3 1/2 cents.

    Reading through this thread one more time, it occurs to me that the conflict is between greed and honor.

    If I have to choose – and this choice is a daily thing – I will choose honor.

    If money is lost – nothing is lost
    If health is lost – something is lost
    If honor is lost – All is lost

    Sadly, I think not enough of us are putting a high enough premium on honor.

    #652119
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Dominique, it doesn’t matter when it happened.

    If ENRON comes back – would you do business with them?

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