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  • #650942
    Anonymous
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    what will turn my head is good old fashioned straight honest treatment in all aspects of the partnership. That includes honoring and not changing any agreements already done.

    Aside from the all-mighty bottom line at the end of the month; the one other thing that turns my head is the casino that has excellent player retention.

    That also is huge.

    Most of this other stuff is just basically trim if you ask me.

    the tier thing is usually beyond my current status in this niche. And I’d guess that is true for the majority of people reading this.

    Even if I climb – I’m usually not going to see but at best a 5% difference in income. That is just not enough to warrant any special decisions or action on my part. (see, its not the 5% that upsets me, but rather that you are changing the terms of an agreement already agreed upon, and that is quite unacceptable)

    So I don’t see where changing tiers around is going to make a lot of difference.

    Remember 0 x anything is still 0. Meaning, that if you want more exposure on my sites, get the casinos to work on getting the players to gamble more, better long-term retention and perhaps try to increase conversion rates.

    I’m always amazed at the contests and stuff programs will run.

    How many people out there have ever changed their site around because of some contest going on?

    In my mind, all the contests are going to go to the big affiliates, or at least the lions share of the prizes.

    But that’s okay with me anyway, I don’t expect, or ask for anything that I haven’t earned.

    But I do ask and expect to get the income I have earned.

    if they want to increase traffic from us, how about a bounty on each new signed player?

    I’m certain that would be more cost-effective to the casinos than would paying an extra 5 or 10 percent on the lifetime of the account.

    And speaking for myself, that is the kind of incentive that I WILL change my site around for.

    Its a little something extra that I wouldn’t be getting elsewhere; while still allowing me to to achieve my ultimate goal, which is to get players signed up and gambling at some place that I am making a commission on the life of their account.

    hope that helps.

    #650945
    vladcizsol
    Member

    Guys I spoke with Kamiel this morning and you can be sure Referback is looking into some positive components for the program that will reward affiliates actively promoting their client casinos.

    It’s unfortunate that these positive enhancements weren’t reported at the same time as the fourth tier. I think in hind sight Referback realizes that now.

    I don’t think they realized so many people would be upset at this change as they saw it as a way to motivate people who were no longer actively promoting their casinos. NOT as a punitive measure against those that do.

    While I don’t agree with retroactively changing terms that had been previously agreed upon, I can understand their concerns. They have affiliates receiving commission checks that send 0 hits and are not making any effort what so ever to market the casinos. If you are going to collect a check from a partner the least you could do is leave a few text links up or banners on back pages. There are plenty of programs out there that will not pay you AT ALL if you no longer promote their clients. At least Referback didn’t take that draconian approach to solving this problem.

    While I think this fourth tier was ill advised I am hopeful that future positive incentives will more then cancel out the current negative feelings being expressed.

    #650948
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I’m glad they now realize that so many people are upset at the change in their commission structure. That means this forum is serving a useful purpose.

    Retroactively changing the program’s commission %’s is wrong, period. If a program offers lifetime commissions, then that shouldn’t change if you stop sending them traffic. I don’t want a partner who thinks it’s okay to lower my commission percentage if I stop sending traffic. If you want me to send more traffic, then have better conversion rates, better commission rates, better affiliate support, better player retention, better reporting, etc. Affiliates don’t stop sending traffic out of spite; they stop sending traffic because they’ve found better programs to send their traffic to.

    As far as programs using draconian methods like stopping payments altogether–they should be ‘outed’ in this forum loudly and often so that the affiliate community will stop promoting them altogether.

    Originally posted by Professor
    Guys I spoke with Kamiel this morning and you can be sure Referback is looking into some positive components for the program that will reward affiliates actively promoting their client casinos.

    It’s unfortunate that these positive enhancements weren’t reported at the same time as the fourth tier. I think in hind sight Referback realizes that now.

    I don’t think they realized so many people would be upset at this change as they saw it as a way to motivate people who were no longer actively promoting their casinos. NOT as a punitive measure against those that do.

    While I don’t agree with retroactively changing terms that had been previously agreed upon, I can understand their concerns. They have affiliates receiving commission checks that send 0 hits and are not making any effort what so ever to market the casinos. If you are going to collect a check from a partner the least you could do is leave a few text links up or banners on back pages. There are plenty of programs out there that will not pay you AT ALL if you no longer promote their clients. At least Referback didn’t take that draconian approach to solving this problem.

    While I think this fourth tier was ill advised I am hopeful that future positive incentives will more then cancel out the current negative feelings being expressed.

    #650975
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    Quote:
    The poker model revised

    As from the 01 July 2004, the new poker model will be a three tiered commission structure set at 25%, 30% and 35% as indicated in the table below.

    This will be coupled with a player sign up offer, positioned to be VERY competitive in the market. The offer must be designed in a way where the affiliate DOES NOT get penalized upfront heavily for the incentive given to players. In other words, the player has to do something (which earns you and our client’s money) before the player is incentivised. This will naturally place the affiliate in positive commissions right off the bat.

    The affiliate commission will be calculated as illustrated below:

    25% $0 – $5000 Less than or equal to 10

    30% $5001 – $20 000 11 to 15

    35% $20 001 + 16 +

    A few notes on the revised affiliate poker model:

    -Poker Commissions and Casino commissions will be continued to be calculated independently of each other.

    -The Poker commission will be calculated as illustrated above and then added to the Casino commission.

    -Because the CPA was having a negative impact on the affiliate and poker rooms, it has now been removed from future calculations.

    -The “number of new actives” requirement will remain as it encourages player volume which falls in line with the overall business model

    That’s the email I just got from my manager at Referback. Doesn’t seem like an improvement to me AT ALL…

    Instead of 25-40% commission, you can only get 25-35% commission.

    More importantly, they eliminated the CPA clawback. They say the clawback was “hurting” affiliates, but I can’t see how that could be the case. Originally affiliates would get up to $50-150 “up front” as the players played more raked hands, and this clawback would be deducted out of future commissions. So in essence the affiliate would simply get $150 of his future commissions immediately, which is very helpful. Now there is no money up front.

    So again, it seems that their new policy, which they’re introducing as if it’s a great thing for affiliates, is purely worse for affiliates.

    Let’s just say I’m not entirely pleased.

    #650976
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The poker CPA model was the ONLY reason I chose to promote referback poker rooms over other prima powered poker rooms.

    #650977
    vladcizsol
    Member

    When did you recieve this RZ?

    I was unaware of these changes…
    😡

    #650978
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Originally posted by Professor
    When did you recieve this RZ?

    I was unaware of these changes…
    😡

    I received it a little under 12 hours ago.

    lol I just noticed, the subject was “Change is as good as a holiday at Referback.com”

    :(

    #650983
    Anonymous
    Guest

    There’s been a lot of posts recently about Referback, and most of them have been very positive.

    Unfortunately, they seem intent on committing affiliate suicide with their changes to the commission structure.

    Just when I was reconsidering my decision not to promote them, they go and do this.

    Unless they change these new terms, they can kiss my affiliate booty! ;)

    #650984
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    :suicide:

    #650985
    Anonymous
    Guest

    I just got thru replacing a bunch of poker rooms (Prima) over to Lucky Nugget and now I’ve got to go back and change the whole damn thing.:angry:

    and yes, I was one of those that had made positive posts recently.

    Once again, RB needs to make things clear so we can decide what to do.

    As long as there is any kind of “requirements” they can say good bye to me.

    Here’s a great example: right now, with the loss of so many PPCs, I’m down to buying crappy traffic or none at all, basically.

    Now I have an idea to get me lots of decent traffic; but it will take time to make it happen. I’m guessing 2 months.

    So I will be punished for not sending any new players between now and then.

    That’s bullshit! It would be TOTALLY different if I had originally signed up under such terms.

    But I entered into this thinking that when times got tough, I could count on my residual income to get me thru.

    Which was the stinking agreement I signed up under!

    there was NEVER a word said about having to send a required amount of new players.

    Give me a partner that is honorable and that partner will keep my loyalty even if the place down the street is promising the moon.

    And this would be a good time to point out to all newbies the importance of choosing several programs that you can COUNT ON to do the HONORABLE thing every time because if you go chasing rainbows due to the promise of a bigger pot of gold, don’t be surprised if you end up one day finding out that your commissions have been either taken completely or that basically, you will be paid what the program wants to pay you, and not what you’ve rightfully and deservedly earned. I said program”s” because at the time I was in my peak with RB, they were at the peak of the OG niche and the best bet at hitching one’s future. You can see how that has come out.

    I can remember writing to Jon-Jon about how that the reason I sent RB traffic even though they had much lower conversion rates / profit per player, was because I knew I could trust them to always pay, always be around, and at that time, I thought they’d always be honorable and that they were my best bet to base my future on.

    Learn well newbies, those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    #650986
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    After reading the post I can understand there reasoning.

    However, there is a issue that I don’t care about this.

    If affiliates are sending traffic, ( maybe no a lot ) and getting downloads but for some reason do not become a purchasing player, then I don’t feel that affiliate should be punished.

    As it is a affiliates job to bring in the players, It is a casinos job to convert them. So the failure to convert would be the fault of the casino, not the affiliate.

    #650987
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    As it is a affiliates job to bring in the players, It is a casinos job to convert them. So the failure to convert would be the fault of the casino, not the affiliate.

    Definitely.

    #650988
    Anonymous
    Guest

    I totally agree too.

    #650989
    Anonymous
    Guest

    RB should think about hiring me as a consultant because I could save you a lot of lost income

    #650990
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Excellent point, Krystal.

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