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June 29, 2004 at 8:13 am #651125AnonymousInactiveQuote:Careful with that – dont want them going knocking players off to save money
So that’s why the new players signing up lately has slowed down.June 29, 2004 at 12:25 pm #651133AnonymousInactive
I’ve been following this thread with interest.
I can guarantee that I won’t be promoting this program. I’m amazed that a company would even entertain the notion that this is somehow an okay way to behave, much less announce it in a public forum, get called on the carpet for it, and not reverse their poor decision quickly and with numerous apologies.June 29, 2004 at 12:44 pm #651136vladcizsolMember
Ok, we now have 4 pages of concerns about the commission changes. I think they get the point.
We have only one response to a request by Zane Green for positive incentives we suggest.
Can we add a few more good ideas for affiliate promotions and give them the opportunity to put a few of them in place?June 29, 2004 at 12:53 pm #651137AnonymousInactive
I am going to continue with my plan – to increase exposure for referback.
I don’t like the policy change, and 20% is for the birds. But Referback is an honest program, their crossmarketing is excellent, their retention is excellent, and I would rather have 20% of someone’s play than nothing because they were not retained.
Referback still offers the best retention.
More than half of the other programs can’t even begin to compete on that level.
People have had players there for years.
If I feel taken advantage of by this new policy at any time, I will make noise.June 29, 2004 at 9:48 pm #651150AnonymousInactive
Well don’t know about the ” best retention” but denfinately one of the best.
Prof- I believe Zane asked to be emailed with idea’s and not actually post them in the forum.June 29, 2004 at 9:57 pm #651151AnonymousInactive
Prof- I believe Zane asked to be emailed with idea’s and not actually post them in the forum.
Kind of defeats the purpose hmmmm :baaa:June 29, 2004 at 10:01 pm #651152vladcizsolMember
Go ahead and post them. Consider it staking a claim to your idea. No use in the prize going to the webmasters who already earn $200k per month. :wow:June 30, 2004 at 4:48 am #651156AnonymousInactive
Like everyone else, I agree that the terms should be honored. (Lifetime means lifetime).
As for webmaster promotions. I think the best promotions for newbies and high earning webmasters alike are the per player bounty promotions that many other programs are using lately.
For example, for every new player you get, you get an extra $50/CPA on top of the normal revenue you earn (or something like that). No reason to make it a contest, because 99% of the webmasters don’t even care about those anyway (at least I don’t).
As mentioned before, punishment for no new players is not the way to go. If a webmaster stops promoting Referback, it’s because other programs are doing better (There are tons of MGS programs out there now). If Referback wants to keep affiliates and get the old ones to keep sending players, then the emphasis has to be on conversion rates and player value. That’s the bottom line.
Personally, I do OK with Referback and think it’s a solid program.July 1, 2004 at 2:00 pm #651211AnonymousInactive
Thanks for your comments Dom!
Prof and all – I will check the posts for your affiliate promotion ideas before voting for the final winnerJuly 1, 2004 at 9:55 pm #651262AnonymousInactive
Hey Prof let me get one post in on this. As an affiliate it is not just a business deal but a relationship. If we shake hands on a deal then it’s a deal. Life is life, Period.
Believe me the Casinos are continuing to make money on these players for the life of the players regardless of the small percentage of those who win.
When they made these deals the commision structures where built in to the profit models regardless if the aff continues to produce or not.
I have experiance on both operater side and aff and breaking this promise is just wrong and short term thinking. Just my two cents.
BrianJuly 1, 2004 at 10:24 pm #651268AnonymousInactive
Hey Zane –
How about addressing the issues posted in this thread instead of using it to push your other thread?July 1, 2004 at 11:19 pm #651271AnonymousInactive
Referback is a middleman between us and the casinos.
The casinos recently changed ownership.
Then the contract changed. You can put two and two together.
Referback is doing a good job – the best they can. They have gone to bat for us before on other issues and had to come back with mixed results.
Those who remember older times remember me being angry at Referback for their scum policy. I am sure Zane remembers me yelling at him in person, repeatedly. I was mad! I have boycotted Referback and induced others to do so, too.
So I am an unlikely defender here, and it is the first time you see me defending Referback. Hence Zane’s comment to me.
But I have had lots of time now to compare programs, and Referback is an honest, forthright program. You really can’t say that about a lot of others. They are responsive and I am convinced they hammer out the best possible deals for us.
The new contract is not really between the same parties, as we really work for the casinos, as does Referback. The casinos could also have disbanded Referback. I think we are a lot better off this way.
You did hear referback state in this thread that they are willing to work with each individual who gets affected by this policy.
Perhaps some good faith is in order.July 2, 2004 at 9:04 am #651288AnonymousInactive
Well in my opinion the new plan sucks big time and to say referback is giving us the best they can is an overstatement in my opinion as the other programs are giving way more in means of percentages, basicly starting from where RB stops
I have given RB some exposure with poor results and now this – Well I dont have any more excuses not to kick them out for good.
If someone could point me to a MG casino that converts I would be glad to give them a try as for now it seems only Playtech and GF does it for me.July 2, 2004 at 12:37 pm #651293AnonymousInactive
There are lots of MG that are good- but discussing other programs in the Referback forum doesn’t seem quite right.
I always like to see threads discussing what converts for whom though. Maybe you can then tell me what playtech converts for you, because they are dead for me.
I’ll start a thread out there…July 2, 2004 at 5:19 pm #651312AnonymousInactive
Forget the “individual” basis. They need to make a blanket policy which protects all webmasters for all players signed up before the new policy takes effect.
20% on players signing up after July, no one can argue. But there is no way I or any other affiliate should be forced into a reduction in earnings without our express consent as we faithfully marketed the casinos on the understanding that we would be receiving 25% (or higher) throughout the playing life of the player.
There is no excuse whatsoever. I’m not in the mood to raise this issue with the higher-ups but if I must do so, I will.