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Do you have a PDF file of a contract with our signatures on it or an internal document set as a proposal by Cake Poker. Again, I dont watch the videos nor will I and I and dont have access to the Pdf file you are referring to nor have I read it. Webcaz will anything short of my head on a platter satisfy you?
Post the questions you have here and lets hit them then move on, is that not a fair enough thing to ask?@Professor 197069 wrote:
Please ask Cake poker about the proposal and if we accepted it (which we didnt) we receive similar proposals all the time becuase of our media presence,
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Fair enough you obviously can’t or are unable to move forward. I’m out of here.
Guys I have to leave the house and drive to my office. I will resume the tribunal when I arrrive there. Please decide on a form of execution in the mean time.
@Professor 197051 wrote:
Daera you have continually expressed views which I would find non supportive of CAP and we havent banned you. We have 8100+ members who havent been banned. The only people who have been banned in months were Michael and Steven Corfman and I did that in response to the constant negativitiy I was seeing about CAP in their videos and on the message board and polls. I dont think that was uncalled for given the hostility.
We discussed these issues at length with Michael, Steven, Rebecca, Myself, Alex Pratt, Warren and Michael Casselli in London and we all agreed that we would all move forward in a more positive light and work towards building up the industry rather then constantly distracting everyone with squabbles. The bans were rescinded at that point. This illusion of mass bannings is really being over blown and it’s been done so for the negative publicity it generates. Can we please put that to rest also?
I have stated ouir policy clearly and it is fair in my oppinion. Remain profossional, postive and constructive. Discuss industry issues openly with an eye on resolution. dont insult fellow members moderators, admnistrators or your host community and you WONT be banned. Thats been true for years, when its in vogue now to believe that or not its true.
As an industry we have to have at least one positive business oriented board to congergate and WORK together. I want CAP to be that board. There are plenty of other sensationalist places to go if CAP doesnt fit your needs or desires. We certainly have the right to manage our own business in such a way that it offers the best value for our members. If the members agree, and the VAST majority do, then we have done the best we can hope for.
I sincerely hope you find value here too Daera, but please have enough faith to let us do what we do best. If you see me banning people you dont agree with moving forward please point it out to me for discussion. Fair enough? I bet you wont find it happening as often as you might believe now.
Hi Lou,
I think what you wrote is quite offensive regarding my views being non-supportive of CAP. I may not exclusively support CAP, but you’ll find that most webmasters don’t. I am actually insulted. I spend most of time interacting with webmasters and affiliate managers at CAP – I even have your portal seal.
I would have to disagree with you on the point that it is distracting everyone with squabbles. If you ever wanted to see how much players, affiliates, and casino operators CARE about the ETHICS of this industry – there is no better time for an outsider, than now. If you cannot see that, I think you need to look at the recent events from another angle.
I understood your message, but I am at ends about some parts of your post. It sends a message of ethics, but we see other things continually happening. I don’t need to list them – that’s counterproductive for what we are trying to achieve here – An open discussion about CAP Bannings.
So back to CAP Bannings, as I said before, most of the people on CAP don’t actually exclusively visit CAP they visit GPWA and AGD and other online publications for information. We read up, discuss, and open discuss about industry happenings, issues, ethics – no matter who it is.
As you’ve said – Remain professional, positive and constructive. Discuss INDUSTRY ISSUES with an open eye (your words). Because someone doesn’t have the same opinions as you on what is acceptable and not acceptable in this industry, should not mean that you can ban them – because as you said in your previous post “Remain professional, positive and constructive. Discuss INDUSTRY ISSUES with an open eye.”
When members are being banned for discussing industry issues with an open eye, and then being banned -It sends the wrong message.
The discussions I admit have snow balled into something larger – everyone wanted to know whether the things which were said about CAP were true or not – they still do.
My view, a member should not be banned for discussing industry related issues even when they are in relation to CAP, or a CAP Certified Program. Doing it – takes away transparency, and trust.
Daera seemingly everything I say offends you so I will not address you directly anymore please do the same for me. I have a few affiliates and webmasters who support me in general also and I am here to stay despite the flayings.
May I be dismissed from the current caning session so I can get some postive work done?
By the way this thread has not been closed and you are welcome to discuss industry issues openly. If you feel one of the biggest challenges presented to the industry is the very few bannings that have occured at CAP then feel free to carry on. I dont think its a real issue and have to get back to work so have at it in the frame work described.
But if it becomes a CAP bashing session or a Lou and Warren witch hunt I dont believe thats going to help anyone our solve any world or industry problems and is just malicious in nature and intent. I have to protect my business and my community and will do so even if that is unpopular with a few members.
1. After the T and C’s are done I suggest:
A. First Offense, 3 day ban
B Second Offense 30 day ban
c Third offense Lifetime banAs far as other forums I been associated with, there are sometimes “flame” and “spam” forums, cause sometimes we all need to vent. In the case where the ownership here is pushing us tward profesionallism, these might be not welcome here, but I bring them up anyways, as an outlet.
I do like flame forums, and I think Free for All would cover this, so I am not really sure if this would also be under the policy. consider me still a lurker here, but Ill try to drop my 2 cents when it helps,
no it is not the most important issue….
But Dominique started to give opprtunity to openly discuss some things.
She started with the “certification” thing,
Secondly this “banning” issue,
supposed to be followed by other (more important?) things……Yeah – is Dominique gone?
@elgoog 197093 wrote:
no it is not the most important issue….
But Dominique started to give opprtunity to openly discuss some things.
She started with the “certification” thing,
Secondly this “banning” issue,
supposed to be followed by other (more important?) things……I have been a member of CAP for a couple of years and I have only recently joined GPWA. I visit both forums on a daily basis. Both offer information that I find useful.
However I find the continual CAP bashing at GPWA by the same handful of people on a daily basis very negative. I sometimes can’t wait to hit the Log Out button to just get out of there. Their “holier than thou” attitude is really tiresome.
Prof don’t worry about things you can’t change it will only stress you out. There are a lot of people out there with f-all to do and all day to do it in. Let them drown in there own misery.
Getting back to the bannings – If anybody gives you crap, ban-em. :wink-wink
Lou…
Cap is your business and our community,
take a breath
and
let Dominique try to safe what is leftDominique is here. She is a moderator and she is welcome to say whatever she wishes. I would hope after all these years as a CAP senior moderator and friend that she would take part in the conversation and protect CAP and the same things she has always stated in the past:
Dom always said and I always Agrred:
That CAP remain a Professional place for affiliates to meet and dicsuss business
That we dont aloow flaming or personal attacks
That people be respectful of the communityy, its moderators and staff
The we work on positive resolutions to problems not endless attacks that produce nothingElgoog you KNOW she has always stood by those principals and CAP does also. Nothing new here.
When Dom is ready to rejoin CAP (not that shes left) and help us move forward in a positive light she will have my gratitude and support. I think she may have been offended because I wanted to return to CAP and offer my oppinions and if so I appologize for being so rude as to return.
Shes not banned, shes not on vacation, shes just chosen to sit by ideally and thats her right.
I cant force to post nor would I try I have too much respect for her.Then maybe you should sit back and relax a bit….
and let her do what must be done..Without sounding ironic…..
There can only be one Captain on a ship…Sorry Elgoog this has always been my ship. I wouldnt presume to ask you to surrender your ship please respect my right to own and operate a business.
Dom has been a long and faithful member of the crew and we truly value her input and help but I cant jump off my own ship. I hope you understand.
wromg wording of me….
not jump off, but sit back and relax…
and let the crew do what she is good at
