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People should not be banned for just giving their opinion…
Free speech please.
Are all previous “unright” bannings undone already?There should definitely be a formal process in my opinion as this is often someone’s job and being banned affect them which is not a nice place to be – The same shoudl eb if you want to become unbanned
Of the past bannings some of them were just and some of them I thought were silly – This can happen I guess when running a big popular board but if there is more of a formal process put in place this will hopefully make it a little fairer.
Anways – I wanted to also say welldone on these discussions – I think its a massive step forward and will make this forum an even better place to hang out
Well there should be a defined guidline to banning people, and it should be enforced after it is known.
Like in nearly every other forum: People who offend other people and dont stick to facts should be banned…
CAP is a professional business oriented forum so we may not be as liberal as some entertainment boards in terms of acceptable behavior.
That being we said we are and always have been wide open to professional, positive and constructive discussion in most areas of the baord. The polical session is allowed a little more freedom to discuss the issues that we all confront and take passionately. The free for all area is also more tolerant of non business topics as long as they dont get offensive.
This was discussed and has been posted at CAP here in the important disucssions area for years:
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/board-posting-clarification.5318.html?
The rules we do have are not meant to surpress free speach, but they are a guideline of what is and what isnt acceptable behavior here.
Without checks and balances a community our size could quickly become poisoned and a hostile circus by a few negative personalties. All of us have seen that happen elsewhere.
The needs of the many out weigh the “free speach” ability of the very few who will only distract and distance our positive members and cause endless headaches for our moderators and partners. It aint an easy job to do that Elgoog but it has to be done.
Understand this, our goal is to provide affiliates and programs with a healthy, positive, constructive and effective way to grow their businesses.
We want to help affiliates increase their knowledge base, make friends, trade links, discover new partners and get help when needed.
For partners we do our best to develop quality relationships with successful and professional affiliates and help facilitate communication as needed.
Thats what we are all here for. If a shouting match or negativity or rumor mongering is what you seek I hope you wont find it here at CAP. I will always do my best to ensure you dont.
@alexpratt 196902 wrote:
There should definitely be a formal process in my opinion as this is often someone’s job and being banned affect them which is not a nice place to be – The same shoudl eb if you want to become unbanned
Of the past bannings some of them were just and some of them I thought were silly – This can happen I guess when running a big popular board but if there is more of a formal process put in place this will hopefully make it a little fairer.
Anways – I wanted to also say welldone on these discussions – I think its a massive step forward and will make this forum an even better place to hang out
Ditto Alex:hattip:
Brad@Professor 196942 wrote:
CAP is a professional business oriented forum so we may not be as liberal as some entertainment boards in terms of acceptable behavior.
That being we said we are and always have been wide open to professional, positive and constructive discussion in most areas of the baord. The polical session is allowed a little more freedom to discuss the issues that we all confront and take passionately. The free for all area is also more tolerant of non business topics as long as they dont get offensive.
This was discussed and has been posted at CAP here in the important disucssions area for years:
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/board-posting-clarification.5318.html?
The rules we do have are not meant to surpress free speach, but they are a guideline of what is and what isnt acceptable behavior here.
Without checks and balances a community our size could quickly become poisoned and a hostile circus by a few negative personalties. All of us have seen that happen elsewhere.
The needs of the many out weigh the “free speach” ability of the very few who will only distract and distance our positive members and cause endless headaches for our moderators and partners. It aint an easy job to do that Elgoog but it has to be done.
Understand this, our goal is to provide affiliates and programs with a healthy, positive, constructive and effective way to grow their businesses.
We want to help affiliates increase their knowledge base, make friends, trade links, discover new partners and get help when needed.
For partners we do our best to develop quality relationships with successful and professional affiliates and help facilitate communication as needed.
Thats what we are all here for. If a shouting match or negativity or rumor mongering is what you seek I hope you wont find it here at CAP. I will always do my best to ensure you dont.
It’s not just politics that affilates are passionate about. This business is our passion.
Positive results can come from a negative situation when we’re allowed to share all sides of the situation. All sides isn’t going to always just be the positive side. To suppress opinions that are not in line with yours, or that you feel is not positive enough because someone isn’t happy about something, is not a reason for banning.
I also don’t think that anyone should be banned just because of who they are affiliated with.
Daera you have continually expressed views which I would find non supportive of CAP and we havent banned you. We have 8100+ members who havent been banned. The only people who have been banned in months were Michael and Steven Corfman and I did that in response to the constant negativitiy I was seeing about CAP in their videos and on the message board and polls. I dont think that was uncalled for given the hostility.
We discussed these issues at length with Michael, Steven, Rebecca, Myself, Alex Pratt, Warren and Michael Casselli in London and we all agreed that we would all move forward in a more positive light and work towards building up the industry rather then constantly distracting everyone with squabbles. The bans were rescinded at that point. This illusion of mass bannings is really being over blown and it’s been done so for the negative publicity it generates. Can we please put that to rest also?
I have stated ouir policy clearly and it is fair in my oppinion. Remain profossional, postive and constructive. Discuss industry issues openly with an eye on resolution. dont insult fellow members moderators, admnistrators or your host community and you WONT be banned. Thats been true for years, when its in vogue now to believe that or not its true.
As an industry we have to have at least one positive business oriented board to congergate and WORK together. I want CAP to be that board. There are plenty of other sensationalist places to go if CAP doesnt fit your needs or desires. We certainly have the right to manage our own business in such a way that it offers the best value for our members. If the members agree, and the VAST majority do, then we have done the best we can hope for.
I sincerely hope you find value here too Daera, but please have enough faith to let us do what we do best. If you see me banning people you dont agree with moving forward please point it out to me for discussion. Fair enough? I bet you wont find it happening as often as you might believe now.
Discuss industry issues openly with an eye on resolution.
Ok I am going to bite. I said I wasn’t going to post here again until many issues which I and others see with CAP have been resolved. But what the heck, here goes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-bk98fBhXE
I would like to hear your response to this which links yourself and Warren directly with the poker room known as Card Spike. If CAP is to move forward, transparency is required and also a public apology to the affiliate community including the programs which we promote.
Webzcas we have been transparent about Cardspike but I will restate it again for anyone who missed our previous statements.
1. CAP and PAP are owned by Affiliate Media Inc. this is a Nevada based copporation with offices in California. Both Warren and I are share holders in the organization along with others.
2. Affiliate Media Inc has no shares, ownership or interest in Cardspike. The only business AMI did do with Cardspike was accept a certifcation fee for their listing here at CAP and PAP. When the problems Cardspike were experienced which werre not being addressed in timely manner by the owners of Cardspike.com we decertified that program here and at PAP.
3. Effective Media Group is a Flroida Corporation. Both Warren and Myself own shares in EMG along with other investors (not the same set as AMI by the way). AMI owns no shares or consideration in Effetive Media Group whatsoever and does not financially benefit from its operations.
4. Effective Media Group Operates as a consulting and affiliate services provider to gaming clients and unfortunately that included Cardspike.com. Effective Media does not have ownership in any gaming operation. We are merely consultants and service providers. As US citizens we would not feel comfortable owning or operating a casino, poker room, bingo client or sports betting group given the current climate. In our high profile positions it would be foolish and probably legally suicidal. Consulting on the other hand, just like affiliate marketing is legal and reputable in our eyes.
5. UIGEA destroyed almost 70% of MY personal income as an affiliate. Thats what I use to pay my bills and feed my rather large family. Both Warren and I receive a modest salary from AMI as we are a growth phase company. I had to either declare bankruptcy and see me world fall apart or I had to suplement my income until the affiliate market rebounds. I honestly never thought offering consulting services via a new Florida based company that I operated would be viewed as such a horrible trangression.
Most US affiliates had to make adjustments when our players were lost. Some sold links, some write content, some branched out into other verticles and unfortunately many went under. I am just doing the best I can to feed my family by marketing a commodity I do have which is knowledge and advice and training. I wish I could convey that better, but’s its the gods honest truth. Thats it. There are no other evil or sinister motives here. I know some will believe me and some wont but after all the years we spent together I would appreciate a little consideration and be given at least a benefit of the doubt before assuming the worst.
I Have Been Banned from CAP Captain
http://www.gpwa.org/forum/i-have-been-baned-cap-178967.html#post527596Hey Lou You & The Captain have been friends for years.
What’s this all about.
Can’t we all get along & move on and get a good resolution on all this
I like this place because I come here for some great info and I have to say Thanks to CAP’s on that note.but if this on going fighting goes on I know I won’t be back.
And in the past Lou I know you helped me get my money back from bingosuite (Greg) & I Thank You on that.
Just come out clean and just let people know the truth on many things and put an end to all the rummors or whatever.
Thanks I just had to say what was on my mind.
B-TLou I have seen your previous statements. What you have posted, is regurgitating the same information that you released before APCW released the video on the 27th Jan. Which included this document:
http://www.gpwa.org/docs/CAP-Cake-Proposal.pdf
How about instead of repeating the same statement, why don’t you address the questions JTodd has made in the video.
Like I say, to move forward transparency is required.
@Professor 197062 wrote:
Webzcas we have been transparent about Cardspike but I will restate it again for anyone who missed our previous statements.
1. CAP and PAP are owned by Affiliate Media Inc. this is a Nevada based copporation with offices in California. Both Warren and I are share holders in the organization along with others.
2. Affiliate Media Inc has no shares, ownership or interest in Cardspike. The only business AMI did do with Cardspike was accept a certifcation fee for their listing here at CAP and PAP. When the problems Cardspike were experienced which werre not being addressed in timely manner by the owners of Cardspike.com we decertified that program here and at PAP.
3. Effective Media Group is a Flroida Corporation. Both Warren and Myself own shares in EMG along with other investors (not the same set as AMI by the way). AMI owns no shares or consideration in Effetive Media Group whatsoever and does not financially benefit from its operations.
4. Effective Media Group Operates as a consulting and affiliate services provider to gaming clients and unfortunately that included Cardspike.com. Effective Media does not have ownership in any gaming operation. We are merely consultants and service providers. As US citizens we would not feel comfortable owning or operating a casino, poker room, bingo client or sports betting group given the current climate. In our high profile positions it would be foolish and probably legally suicidal. Consulting on the other hand, just like affiliate marketing is legal and reputable in our eyes.
5. UIGEA destroyed almost 70% of MY personal income as an affiliate. Thats what I use to pay my bills and feed my rather large family. Both Warren and I receive a modest salary from AMI as we are a growth phase company. I had to either declare bankruptcy and see me world fall apart or I had to suplement my income until the affiliate market rebounds. I honestly never thought offering consulting services via a new Florida based company that I operated would be viewed as such a horrible trangression.
Most US affiliates had to make adjustments when our players were lost. Some sold links, some write content, some branched out into other verticles and unfortunately many went under. I am just doing the best I can to feed my family by marketing a commodity I do have which is knowledge and advice and training. I wish I could convey that better, but’s its the gods honest truth. Thats it. There are no other evil or sinister motives here. I know some will believe me and some wont but after all the years we spent together I would appreciate a little consideration and be given at least a benefit of the doubt before assuming the worst.
Bingo T see the thread here regarding Allan and my response, honestly tell me if he didnt warrant a vacation: http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/fuck-you.34074.html?
Repeating the truth is not regurgitation unless the other party only wants to hear what they want to hear. Webzcas. Post questions you have and I will answer them honestly. I dont watch APCW videos as they have present only one negative and hostile view point. I suspect you will say my answers are regurgitated but lets give it a shot.
And the PDF File?
